"No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment
 

Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert
Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in
Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of
consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective
Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from
homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King
Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to
himself bringeth his mother to shame.

The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding
child abuse and parental authority.





--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest
incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspective onpunishment
 

What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that
has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll
try it and let you know.

Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective Robert
Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of fear in
Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No fear of
consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families, Detective
Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come from
homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom of King
Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to
himself bringeth his mother to shame.

The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws regarding
child abuse and parental authority.





--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the largest
incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment
 

She did post the name of the book it's called "No fear" Here is a link where
you can order it
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...08839?v=glance.
Chris Dugan did a review on it a few years a go at
http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm.
I have read part of the book and he makes his point well though I think
someone could misinterpret his message and use it as a excuse to abuse their
children.


"Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message
...
What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that
has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll
try it and let you know.

Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective
Robert
Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of
fear in
Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No
fear of
consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families,
Detective
Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come
from
homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom
of King
Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child
left to
himself bringeth his mother to shame.

The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws
regarding
child abuse and parental authority.






--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the
largest
incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
 

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004, billy f wrote:

She did post the name of the book it's called "No fear" Here is a link where
you can order it
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...08839?v=glance.
Chris Dugan did a review on it a few years a go at
http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm.
I have read part of the book and he makes his point well though I think
someone could misinterpret his message and use it as a excuse to abuse their
children.

Funy thing is Chris forgot to do the same statistical analysis for claims
made by Straus. I'll take a shot at it soon.


Doan

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment
 

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:49:58 -0600, Carlson LaVonne
wrote:

Not a problem. His book has had a very insightful review by Chris
Dugan on his website:

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm

Read all the pages.......

The good officer is something less than accurate.....of course, when
looking at the product of the spanking compulsives one expects a good
deal of that.

What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer
that
has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do.
I'll
try it and let you know.

Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.

Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/3x5h9

Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 8.97 x 6.04
Publisher: Providence House Pub; (December 31, 1999)
ISBN: 1577361598

Average Customer Review: Based on 9 reviews. Write a review.

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 346,516

Hey, going to number 1 any day now.....E E E E E R R R R R O O O O O
O.............



LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer,
Detective Robert
Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total
lack of fear in
Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear.
No fear of
consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation
without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families,
Detective
Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders
come from
homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the
wisdom of King
Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a
child left to
himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Oh, you mean the Solomon that himself was not above sin, of a most
egregious kind, and raised a son that himself was so cruel he had to
flee his kingdom with the populous at this heels.

You mean the Solomon that ordered his guard to cleave a child in two
with a sword if neither mother would give up the child?

Yeah, that towering font of wisdom. You have to read proverbs
sometime, Portulacca.



The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states'
laws regarding
child abuse and parental authority.

Our dear Flower forgot a little something and of course didn't cite
Amazon with an URL....hehehehe

Yah just gotta read the reviews....yo might even want to add your own.
OTHER police officers? R R R ... and over the top, "Whoomp'em"
advocates.

Yep, that's our spanking compulsives allrighty.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the
largest
incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

Oh yeah.....r r r r

Kane

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspective on punishment
 

Lavonne obviously CANNOT READ.

Apologize again, oh, carping, sniping woman.

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
 

Beating the Devil.... By Murray Struas
Publisher: Transaction Pub; 2nd edition (September 2001)
ISBN: 0765807548

Average Customer Review: Based on 1 review by Chris Dugan.

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 265,065

Going to be the next New York Times Best seller soon! ;-)

Doan

On 26 Feb 2004, Kane wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:49:58 -0600, Carlson LaVonne
wrote:

Not a problem. His book has had a very insightful review by Chris
Dugan on his website:

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm

Read all the pages.......

The good officer is something less than accurate.....of course, when
looking at the product of the spanking compulsives one expects a good
deal of that.

What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer
that
has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do.
I'll
try it and let you know.

Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.

Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/3x5h9

Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 8.97 x 6.04
Publisher: Providence House Pub; (December 31, 1999)
ISBN: 1577361598

Average Customer Review: Based on 9 reviews. Write a review.

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 346,516

Hey, going to number 1 any day now.....E E E E E R R R R R O O O O O
O.............



LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer,
Detective Robert
Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total
lack of fear in
Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear.
No fear of
consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation
without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families,
Detective
Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders
come from
homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the
wisdom of King
Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a
child left to
himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Oh, you mean the Solomon that himself was not above sin, of a most
egregious kind, and raised a son that himself was so cruel he had to
flee his kingdom with the populous at this heels.

You mean the Solomon that ordered his guard to cleave a child in two
with a sword if neither mother would give up the child?

Yeah, that towering font of wisdom. You have to read proverbs
sometime, Portulacca.



The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states'
laws regarding
child abuse and parental authority.

Our dear Flower forgot a little something and of course didn't cite
Amazon with an URL....hehehehe

Yah just gotta read the reviews....yo might even want to add your own.
OTHER police officers? R R R ... and over the top, "Whoomp'em"
advocates.

Yep, that's our spanking compulsives allrighty.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the
largest
incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

Oh yeah.....r r r r

Kane

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
 

Billy,

Fern may have posted the title of the book, but it was not included her
post below. One problem with the internet is that not everyone reads
everything posted on a daily basis. If one wants to be understood, one
needs to post the necessary references.

I did not read her previous post, and there was no threaded link.

I thank you for providing the title and the link. You supplied what
Fern should have supplied in her post.

LaVonne

billy f wrote:

She did post the name of the book it's called "No fear" Here is a link where
you can order it
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...08839?v=glance.
Chris Dugan did a review on it a few years a go at
http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm.
I have read part of the book and he makes his point well though I think
someone could misinterpret his message and use it as a excuse to abuse their
children.


"Carlson LaVonne" wrote in message
...

What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer that
has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do. I'll
try it and let you know.

Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:


Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer, Detective

Robert

Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total lack of

fear in

Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear. No

fear of

consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation without
conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families,

Detective

Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders come

from

homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the wisdom

of King

Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child

left to

himself bringeth his mother to shame.

The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states' laws

regarding

child abuse and parental authority.






--------------------------------------------------------------------------

------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the

largest

incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
 

Thanks, Kane. You and several others have supplied a title, and I now
have the book on order through Amazon. Unfortunately, in the post I
read, Fern did not appear to give a title nor a clear author. She
simply said the book could be ordered on Amazon.

LaVonne

Kane wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:49:58 -0600, Carlson LaVonne
wrote:

Not a problem. His book has had a very insightful review by Chris
Dugan on his website:

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/NoFear1.htm

Read all the pages.......

The good officer is something less than accurate.....of course, when
looking at the product of the spanking compulsives one expects a good
deal of that.


What book is this, Fern? I'd like to read it, but I can hardly go to
amazon.com and say "Fern described this book about a police officer

that

has witnessed today's youth becoming more defiant." Or can I? Maybe
you are so well known on amazon.com that this is all I need to do.

I'll

try it and let you know.


Normally one would include the title, author, publisher, and if
possible, the ISBN number. But maybe just the mention of your name
"Fern" will allow me to order the book.


Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/3x5h9

Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.77 x 8.97 x 6.04
Publisher: Providence House Pub; (December 31, 1999)
ISBN: 1577361598

Average Customer Review: Based on 9 reviews. Write a review.

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 346,516

Hey, going to number 1 any day now.....E E E E E R R R R R O O O O O
O.............



LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:


Book Description
In his eighteen years of service as a law enforcement officer,

Detective Robert

Surgenor has witnessed an alarming rise in defiance and a total

lack of fear in

Americas youth. In many of todays young people, there is no fear.

No fear of

consequences. No fear of authority. No fear of God. A generation

without

conscience.
Interviewing hundreds of juvenile offenders and their families,

Detective

Surgenor discovered that the majority of violent juvenile offenders

come from

homes where there is no corporal punishment, or spanking.

Surgenor advocates the use of corporal punishment, following the

wisdom of King

Solomon in Proverbs 29:15, The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a

child left to

himself bringeth his mother to shame.


Oh, you mean the Solomon that himself was not above sin, of a most
egregious kind, and raised a son that himself was so cruel he had to
flee his kingdom with the populous at this heels.

You mean the Solomon that ordered his guard to cleave a child in two
with a sword if neither mother would give up the child?

Yeah, that towering font of wisdom. You have to read proverbs
sometime, Portulacca.



The book includes an appendix that lists each of the 50 states'

laws regarding

child abuse and parental authority.


Our dear Flower forgot a little something and of course didn't cite
Amazon with an URL....hehehehe

Yah just gotta read the reviews....yo might even want to add your own.
OTHER police officers? R R R ... and over the top, "Whoomp'em"
advocates.

Yep, that's our spanking compulsives allrighty.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Available on amazon.com

Would you rather have your kids locked up? Remember the US is the

largest

incarcerator of souls in the WORLD.

Hire an attorney, contact with CPS?

Get the busy-bodies out of family life........


Oh yeah.....r r r r

Kane

What book is this? was "No fear" a police off. perspectiveon punishment
 

I can read, Fern, but I can only read what you post. Mindreading I do
not do. You gave a book description without an author or a title. You
simply said the book could be ordered through amazon.

How convenient that you snipped your entire post, as well as my response.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

Lavonne obviously CANNOT READ.

Apologize again, oh, carping, sniping woman.