Laws prohibit smoking around children
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Health and Behavior Inside News Laws prohibit smoking around children Updated 11/28/2006 7:59 AM ET Photo: Enlarge By Stephen Morton, AP James Lord, 65, smokes at Smoker's Cafe in Dublin, Ga., Sept. 5. The restaurant's owners found a loophole to Georgia's smoking ban and have prohibited children instead of cigarettes. In some states, smoking is not allowed around children even in private places. By Emily Bazar, USA TODAY Anti-tobacco forces are opening a new front in the war against smoking by banning it in private places such as homes and cars when children are present. Starting Jan. 1, Texas will restrict smoking in foster parents' homes at all times and in cars when children are present, says Darrell Azar of the Department of Family and Protective Services. ON DEADLINE: Do you agree with the law? Vermont, Washington and other states and counties already prohibit foster parents from smoking around children in their homes and cars. Arkansas and Louisiana passed laws this year forbidding anyone from smoking in cars carrying young children. Courts are ordering smoke-free environments in custody and visitation disputes. "We are very rapidly moving to protect children from secondhand smoke," says John Banzhaf, executive director of Action on Smoking and Health. "Even from their own parents and grandparents." Former surgeon general Richard Carmona said in June that children exposed to secondhand smoke suffer an increased risk of respiratory ailments and sudden infant death syndrome. Most smoking bans apply to workplaces and spots like bars and restaurants. Smokers' rights groups liken banning smoking in private to the "Salem witch hunt," says Gary Nolan, spokesman for The Smoker's Club, Inc. He says secondhand smoke is not dangerous. "If we don't reverse this, they'll be telling us what we can eat and what we can feed our children," Nolan says. Former smoker Bob Mathis, a Democratic state representative in Arkansas, sponsored a law that bars smoking in a car carrying a child young enough to require a car seat. It took effect in July. A violator can be fined $25 but can get out of it with proof of participation in a smoking-cessation program. A similar law took effect in Louisiana in August. "We have laws on the books in every state of the union against child abuse," Mathis says. "This is a form of child abuse." At least six states and some counties prohibit foster parents from smoking when foster children are present, says Kathleen Dachille, director of the Legal Resource Center for Tobacco Regulation, Litigation & Advocacy at the University of Maryland School of Law. "There are times when it's appropriate to regulate what people can do in their home," she says. "The state is responsible for that child." Some courts are ordering parents in custody and visitation disputes not to smoke around their kids. Initially, courts considered restrictions when children had ailments such as asthma that are exacerbated by smoke, says Linda Elrod, a law professor and editor of Family Law Quarterly. Now, they're more willing to restrict smoking even when there are no obvious health problems, she says. It generally comes up when one parent complains about the other's smoking. Posted 11/27/2006 11:24 PM ET |
Laws prohibit smoking around children
Greegor wrote: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ing-bans_x.htm Health and Behavior Inside News Laws prohibit smoking around children Updated 11/28/2006 7:59 AM ET Photo: Enlarge By Stephen Morton, AP James Lord, 65, smokes at Smoker's Cafe in Dublin, Ga., Sept. 5. The restaurant's owners found a loophole to Georgia's smoking ban and have prohibited children instead of cigarettes. In some states, smoking is not allowed around children even in private places. By Emily Bazar, USA TODAY Anti-tobacco forces are opening a new front in the war against smoking by banning it in private places such as homes and cars when children are present. Starting Jan. 1, Texas will restrict smoking in foster parents' homes at all times and in cars when children are present, says Darrell Azar of the Department of Family and Protective Services. ON DEADLINE: Do you agree with the law? Vermont, Washington and other states and counties already prohibit foster parents from smoking around children in their homes and cars. Arkansas and Louisiana passed laws this year forbidding anyone from smoking in cars carrying young children. Courts are ordering smoke-free environments in custody and visitation disputes. "We are very rapidly moving to protect children from secondhand smoke," says John Banzhaf, executive director of Action on Smoking and Health. "Even from their own parents and grandparents." Former surgeon general Richard Carmona said in June that children exposed to secondhand smoke suffer an increased risk of respiratory ailments and sudden infant death syndrome. Most smoking bans apply to workplaces and spots like bars and restaurants. Smokers' rights groups liken banning smoking in private to the "Salem witch hunt," says Gary Nolan, spokesman for The Smoker's Club, Inc. He says secondhand smoke is not dangerous. "If we don't reverse this, they'll be telling us what we can eat and what we can feed our children," Nolan says. Former smoker Bob Mathis, a Democratic state representative in Arkansas, sponsored a law that bars smoking in a car carrying a child young enough to require a car seat. It took effect in July. A violator can be fined $25 but can get out of it with proof of participation in a smoking-cessation program. A similar law took effect in Louisiana in August. "We have laws on the books in every state of the union against child abuse," Mathis says. "This is a form of child abuse." At least six states and some counties prohibit foster parents from smoking when foster children are present, says Kathleen Dachille, director of the Legal Resource Center for Tobacco Regulation, Litigation & Advocacy at the University of Maryland School of Law. "There are times when it's appropriate to regulate what people can do in their home," she says. "The state is responsible for that child." Some courts are ordering parents in custody and visitation disputes not to smoke around their kids. Initially, courts considered restrictions when children had ailments such as asthma that are exacerbated by smoke, says Linda Elrod, a law professor and editor of Family Law Quarterly. Now, they're more willing to restrict smoking even when there are no obvious health problems, she says. It generally comes up when one parent complains about the other's smoking. Posted 11/27/2006 11:24 PM ET Glad to see that you too are concerned about the bad effects of smoking around children as to their health risks. Thanks. Kane |
Laws prohibit smoking around children
Do you smoke, Donald?
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Whats your argument? That your right to smoke is more important than
poisoning innocent children with the waste of your addiction? Are you stupid and arrogant? Greegor wrote: Do you smoke, Donald? |
Laws prohibit smoking around children
Greegor wrote: Do you smoke, Donald? Let's see what he answers. Again, thank you for posting this article pointing out the dangers to children from 2nd hand smoke. We know for instance that the incidence of SIDS is much higher in families where there are smokers than not. Adults who smoke are far more likely to have come from families where parents smoked, so that is a direct correlation to bad health practices, even if 2nd hand smoke isn't a factor. Just by example parents are hurting their children. Same for drinking as well. Ask any Drug and or substance abuse counselor or researcher. I'm so glad you posted this. 0:- ] |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Whats your argument? That your right to smoke is more important than
poisoning innocent children with the waste of your addiction? Are you stupid and arrogant? Greegor wrote: Do you smoke, Donald? |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Kane/Donald smokes but lies about it.
I have never smoked, despite parents who did. (I tried pot once in 1978 and I inhaled) |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote: Kane/Donald smokes but lies about it. I have never smoked, despite parents who did. (I tried pot once in 1978 and I inhaled) Unfortunately you exhaled and continued to breathe, to the detriment of your girlfiend's daughter. |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote:
Kane/Donald smokes but lies about it. Can't speak for Donald, but I haven't smoked anything since 1976. Nor have I done illegal drugs, ever. I have never smoked, despite parents who did. I didn't claim you did. Speak to the person that addresses you. As you say below though, you actually did. (I tried pot once in 1978 and I inhaled) Don't you think it's time to stop Bogarting that Joint, and let the smoke out now? Kane |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
"Greegor" wrote in message ups.com... Kane/Donald smokes but lies about it. I have never smoked, despite parents who did. (I tried pot once in 1978 and I inhaled) There we have it, folks, our next presidential candidate. And he can train cats to do tricks too. |
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Do you smoke Betty?
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Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote:
Do you smoke Betty? No, when I smoked it was Lucky Strikes and Camels. But I don't smoke any more...not since 76. Is "Betty" a new "Thai Stick," or "Panama Red," or "Maui Wowee?" |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
"0:-" wrote in message news:jsGdnSvZ3_eNmu7YnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@scnresearch. com... Greegor wrote: Do you smoke Betty? No, when I smoked it was Lucky Strikes and Camels. But I don't smoke any more...not since 76. Is "Betty" a new "Thai Stick," or "Panama Red," or "Maui Wowee?" Really. I've heard of 'Mary Jane', but 'Betty' is not on the list so far as I know. |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote:
Do you smoke Betty? No, when I smoked it was Lucky Strikes and Camels. But I don't smoke any more...not since 76. Is "Betty" a new "Thai Stick," or "Panama Red," or "Maui Wowee?" Really. I've heard of 'Mary Jane', but 'Betty' is not on the list so far as I know. You would be the expert Betty. |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote:
Greegor wrote: Do you smoke Betty? No, when I smoked it was Lucky Strikes and Camels. But I don't smoke any more...not since 76. Is "Betty" a new "Thai Stick," or "Panama Red," or "Maui Wowee?" Really. I've heard of 'Mary Jane', but 'Betty' is not on the list so far as I know. You would be the expert Betty. Everyone that has heard Marijuana called "Mary Jane" would be an expert? Or is it just you ducking that you smoked weed, eh? |
Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote:
Kane/Donald smokes but lies about it. I have never smoked, despite parents who did. (I tried pot once in 1978 and I inhaled) Did you mention this to the CPS workers and others involved, Gagg? If not why not? How about your current "suit?" You going to mention it? 0:- |
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Hansen, you are a figment in your own imagination.
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Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Hansen, you are a figment in your own imagination.
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Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Thanks Betty!
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Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote: Thanks Betty! No no, thank YOU, Gagg. And remember, it's easier to sue to force CPS to "reform." What are Child Sexual Abuse and Incest? Child sexual abuse is any sexual act performed with a child by an adult or older child, with or without force or the threat of force. Child sexual abuse is most commonly committed by someone known to the child, including family members. In this case, the act may be considered incest. Incest is overt and/or covert sexual contact or acts between people who are related genetically, by marriage, by living arrangements, or in whom a child perceives a trusting relationship, for example parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, step-parents, foster parents. Incest is one of the most common forms of child sexual abuse. It may start as seemingly innocent touching and progress to more serious acts. It can continue for years. Other individuals who may commit child sexual abuse include neighbors, family friends, baby sitters, religious leaders, youth group leaders, or others with a power advantage of any kind over the child. Child sexual abuse may also be committed by a stranger. The acts can include: touching or non-touching, verbal seduction or abuse, anal or vaginal intercourse, oral sex, sodomy, manual stimulation, direct threats, implied threats, or other forms of abuse. http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm .... How can we fix the system that failed her? Legal Considerations We also need to inquire about the authority of the ACS investigators. How much power do they have? Is it enough? How far can they push an investigation against an uncooperative parent? If search warrants or anything similar are required, how easy are they to obtain? The Daily News reports that Nixzmary's stepfather had a previous assault charge. Do ACS investigators receive adequate protection when they investigate a complaint? What about the burden of proof ACS investigators have to meet? Is it reasonable, or is the bar set too high? Do the ACS workers have suggestions on changes that would make the system work more smoothly? Is there a weak point or bottleneck somewhere in the system that we could identify and address? .... .... Case Load We all agree that New York City is a pretty big place. So the first question is, how many people does ACS have on the job? Don't be satisfied with a total; ask for details. How many investigators, how many case workers, does ACS have on the streets? Do caseworkers do investigations and case management, or are they separate tasks? How much training do new caseworkers get? How much training does ACS wish they could get? Second question: how many active cases is ACS investigating? Again, insist on details. How many new reports of abuse does it receive in a month? How many ongoing cases do they have to keep up on? How many are quick checks and how many are involved and time-consuming? What is the average number of cases that each caseworker has to handle per week? Usually, when you do some simple math, you find that each caseworker has a ridiculous number of cases to fit into a regular workweek. But we're not done! Child abuse is one of most under-reported crimes in the world. Get some experts to make some informed estimates on how many unreported child abuse cases exist in New York City, and think about how to factor that into the caseworkers' workload. After we consider all of those numbers, then we can reflect on how likely it is that every child abuse report will get the kind of attention it deserves. ... http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inthenews/a/Texas.htm .... This is no surprise. People who work to help abused children and vulnerable adults have maintained for years that state funding cuts would result in this kind of suffering, but voters and legislators refused to listen. ... .... There is an old saying that "Quantity has a quality all its own," and in some ways, that applies to the challenge of protecting children and vulnerable adults. To do a proper job, you simply need the bodies -- the presence of trained workers -- on the street, looking, listening, and networking. ... .... Caseloads and Quality Think of our troops in Iraq and the job they are required to do there. Imagine, if you will, the troops trying to do their job with only 100 American soldiers in the country. Ridiculous, right? Think of our war on drugs, and imagine the DEA trying to do their jobs with only 50 agents in the agency. Outrageous, right? Now. Think of our campaign against child abuse and abuse of vulnerable adults. Imagine having so few caseworkers that each worker had to cover seventy-four cases every month. Let me tell you -- that's outrageous. It can't be done. But that is the current situation in Texas; a situation that is finally being improved. Unfortunately, the process is slow. The hiring won't be complete until 2007. When it is finished, each caseworker will have a caseload of about 45. That sounds like a big improvement, and it is. But don't ever forget that that is still far too high. In 1998, their caseload was 24 cases per month. National Child Welfare experts urge a caseload of 12 to 15 per month. The Texas legislators point out that no state meets those guidelines. Tragically, they are correct. The Joint Chiefs of Staff will tell the president how many troops we need in Iraq, and the president will send them, but no state takes that attitude about abused children and abused adults. The Nature of the Job Contrary to what you see on TV, child protection workers don't simply swoop in and take children from their families. Whenever possible, they leave the family intact, and work closely with them to make things better. Many cases are due to ignorance, lack of parenting skills, lack of resources, ignorance of conditions, and so on. Except in the bad cases that make headlines, the goal of the Child Protection workers is to teach the family to help itself. That takes time, patience, and a lot of work. The caseworkers have to overcome barriers of language, culture and attitude, and sometimes face physical danger. But in the end, it is possible to create an intact, self-sustaining family that is happy and free of suffering. The Bottom Line After so many years of discouragement, of watching legislators abandon children and the elderly, the Texas action comes as a breath of fresh air. They have finally acknowledged the need, and have finally faced up to the fact that the solution will cost money. It seems like a lot of money. And it is! But remember -- it's still not enough. In 1941, before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the United States had six aircraft carriers. By the end of the war, we had more than one hundred. We needed them, so we built them. After we had built forty carriers, did anyone suggest that we stop? No -- we kept at it until the job was done. Find politicians in your state and ask them what the average caseload is for Child Protection workers. Tell them about the experts recommending 12 to 15 per month. Then encourage them to keep at it until the job is done. Updated: January 25, 2006 ... Need I add, Gagg, that you and your cronies here in this newsgroup are a pack of thoroughgoing LIARS! 0:-] http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm |
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Greegor wrote: Greegor wrote: Do you smoke Betty? No, when I smoked it was Lucky Strikes and Camels. But I don't smoke any more...not since 76. Is "Betty" a new "Thai Stick," or "Panama Red," or "Maui Wowee?" Really. I've heard of 'Mary Jane', but 'Betty' is not on the list so far as I know. You would be the expert Betty. Exactly how do you come to that conclusion? |
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Would you say, Greg, that CPS is generally too well funded?
Can you provide some support for such and argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now? Kane 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Thanks Betty! No no, thank YOU, Gagg. And remember, it's easier to sue to force CPS to "reform." What are Child Sexual Abuse and Incest? Child sexual abuse is any sexual act performed with a child by an adult or older child, with or without force or the threat of force. Child sexual abuse is most commonly committed by someone known to the child, including family members. In this case, the act may be considered incest. Incest is overt and/or covert sexual contact or acts between people who are related genetically, by marriage, by living arrangements, or in whom a child perceives a trusting relationship, for example parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, step-parents, foster parents. Incest is one of the most common forms of child sexual abuse. It may start as seemingly innocent touching and progress to more serious acts. It can continue for years. Other individuals who may commit child sexual abuse include neighbors, family friends, baby sitters, religious leaders, youth group leaders, or others with a power advantage of any kind over the child. Child sexual abuse may also be committed by a stranger. The acts can include: touching or non-touching, verbal seduction or abuse, anal or vaginal intercourse, oral sex, sodomy, manual stimulation, direct threats, implied threats, or other forms of abuse. http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm ... How can we fix the system that failed her? Legal Considerations We also need to inquire about the authority of the ACS investigators. How much power do they have? Is it enough? How far can they push an investigation against an uncooperative parent? If search warrants or anything similar are required, how easy are they to obtain? The Daily News reports that Nixzmary's stepfather had a previous assault charge. Do ACS investigators receive adequate protection when they investigate a complaint? What about the burden of proof ACS investigators have to meet? Is it reasonable, or is the bar set too high? Do the ACS workers have suggestions on changes that would make the system work more smoothly? Is there a weak point or bottleneck somewhere in the system that we could identify and address? .... ... Case Load We all agree that New York City is a pretty big place. So the first question is, how many people does ACS have on the job? Don't be satisfied with a total; ask for details. How many investigators, how many case workers, does ACS have on the streets? Do caseworkers do investigations and case management, or are they separate tasks? How much training do new caseworkers get? How much training does ACS wish they could get? Second question: how many active cases is ACS investigating? Again, insist on details. How many new reports of abuse does it receive in a month? How many ongoing cases do they have to keep up on? How many are quick checks and how many are involved and time-consuming? What is the average number of cases that each caseworker has to handle per week? Usually, when you do some simple math, you find that each caseworker has a ridiculous number of cases to fit into a regular workweek. But we're not done! Child abuse is one of most under-reported crimes in the world. Get some experts to make some informed estimates on how many unreported child abuse cases exist in New York City, and think about how to factor that into the caseworkers' workload. After we consider all of those numbers, then we can reflect on how likely it is that every child abuse report will get the kind of attention it deserves. ... http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inthenews/a/Texas.htm ... This is no surprise. People who work to help abused children and vulnerable adults have maintained for years that state funding cuts would result in this kind of suffering, but voters and legislators refused to listen. ... ... There is an old saying that "Quantity has a quality all its own," and in some ways, that applies to the challenge of protecting children and vulnerable adults. To do a proper job, you simply need the bodies -- the presence of trained workers -- on the street, looking, listening, and networking. ... ... Caseloads and Quality Think of our troops in Iraq and the job they are required to do there. Imagine, if you will, the troops trying to do their job with only 100 American soldiers in the country. Ridiculous, right? Think of our war on drugs, and imagine the DEA trying to do their jobs with only 50 agents in the agency. Outrageous, right? Now. Think of our campaign against child abuse and abuse of vulnerable adults. Imagine having so few caseworkers that each worker had to cover seventy-four cases every month. Let me tell you -- that's outrageous. It can't be done. But that is the current situation in Texas; a situation that is finally being improved. Unfortunately, the process is slow. The hiring won't be complete until 2007. When it is finished, each caseworker will have a caseload of about 45. That sounds like a big improvement, and it is. But don't ever forget that that is still far too high. In 1998, their caseload was 24 cases per month. National Child Welfare experts urge a caseload of 12 to 15 per month. The Texas legislators point out that no state meets those guidelines. Tragically, they are correct. The Joint Chiefs of Staff will tell the president how many troops we need in Iraq, and the president will send them, but no state takes that attitude about abused children and abused adults. The Nature of the Job Contrary to what you see on TV, child protection workers don't simply swoop in and take children from their families. Whenever possible, they leave the family intact, and work closely with them to make things better. Many cases are due to ignorance, lack of parenting skills, lack of resources, ignorance of conditions, and so on. Except in the bad cases that make headlines, the goal of the Child Protection workers is to teach the family to help itself. That takes time, patience, and a lot of work. The caseworkers have to overcome barriers of language, culture and attitude, and sometimes face physical danger. But in the end, it is possible to create an intact, self-sustaining family that is happy and free of suffering. The Bottom Line After so many years of discouragement, of watching legislators abandon children and the elderly, the Texas action comes as a breath of fresh air. They have finally acknowledged the need, and have finally faced up to the fact that the solution will cost money. It seems like a lot of money. And it is! But remember -- it's still not enough. In 1941, before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the United States had six aircraft carriers. By the end of the war, we had more than one hundred. We needed them, so we built them. After we had built forty carriers, did anyone suggest that we stop? No -- we kept at it until the job was done. Find politicians in your state and ask them what the average caseload is for Child Protection workers. Tell them about the experts recommending 12 to 15 per month. Then encourage them to keep at it until the job is done. Updated: January 25, 2006 ... Need I add, Gagg, that you and your cronies here in this newsgroup are a pack of thoroughgoing LIARS! 0:-] http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm |
Greg? ... Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money?
Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? (sarcasm) 0:- wrote: Would you say, Greg, that CPS is generally too well funded? Can you provide some support for such and argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now? Kane 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Thanks Betty! No no, thank YOU, Gagg. And remember, it's easier to sue to force CPS to "reform." What are Child Sexual Abuse and Incest? Child sexual abuse is any sexual act performed with a child by an adult or older child, with or without force or the threat of force. Child sexual abuse is most commonly committed by someone known to the child, including family members. In this case, the act may be considered incest. Incest is overt and/or covert sexual contact or acts between people who are related genetically, by marriage, by living arrangements, or in whom a child perceives a trusting relationship, for example parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, step-parents, foster parents. Incest is one of the most common forms of child sexual abuse. It may start as seemingly innocent touching and progress to more serious acts. It can continue for years. Other individuals who may commit child sexual abuse include neighbors, family friends, baby sitters, religious leaders, youth group leaders, or others with a power advantage of any kind over the child. Child sexual abuse may also be committed by a stranger. The acts can include: touching or non-touching, verbal seduction or abuse, anal or vaginal intercourse, oral sex, sodomy, manual stimulation, direct threats, implied threats, or other forms of abuse. http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm ... How can we fix the system that failed her? Legal Considerations We also need to inquire about the authority of the ACS investigators. How much power do they have? Is it enough? How far can they push an investigation against an uncooperative parent? If search warrants or anything similar are required, how easy are they to obtain? The Daily News reports that Nixzmary's stepfather had a previous assault charge. Do ACS investigators receive adequate protection when they investigate a complaint? What about the burden of proof ACS investigators have to meet? Is it reasonable, or is the bar set too high? Do the ACS workers have suggestions on changes that would make the system work more smoothly? Is there a weak point or bottleneck somewhere in the system that we could identify and address? .... ... Case Load We all agree that New York City is a pretty big place. So the first question is, how many people does ACS have on the job? Don't be satisfied with a total; ask for details. How many investigators, how many case workers, does ACS have on the streets? Do caseworkers do investigations and case management, or are they separate tasks? How much training do new caseworkers get? How much training does ACS wish they could get? Second question: how many active cases is ACS investigating? Again, insist on details. How many new reports of abuse does it receive in a month? How many ongoing cases do they have to keep up on? How many are quick checks and how many are involved and time-consuming? What is the average number of cases that each caseworker has to handle per week? Usually, when you do some simple math, you find that each caseworker has a ridiculous number of cases to fit into a regular workweek. But we're not done! Child abuse is one of most under-reported crimes in the world. Get some experts to make some informed estimates on how many unreported child abuse cases exist in New York City, and think about how to factor that into the caseworkers' workload. After we consider all of those numbers, then we can reflect on how likely it is that every child abuse report will get the kind of attention it deserves. ... http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inthenews/a/Texas.htm ... This is no surprise. People who work to help abused children and vulnerable adults have maintained for years that state funding cuts would result in this kind of suffering, but voters and legislators refused to listen. ... ... There is an old saying that "Quantity has a quality all its own," and in some ways, that applies to the challenge of protecting children and vulnerable adults. To do a proper job, you simply need the bodies -- the presence of trained workers -- on the street, looking, listening, and networking. ... ... Caseloads and Quality Think of our troops in Iraq and the job they are required to do there. Imagine, if you will, the troops trying to do their job with only 100 American soldiers in the country. Ridiculous, right? Think of our war on drugs, and imagine the DEA trying to do their jobs with only 50 agents in the agency. Outrageous, right? Now. Think of our campaign against child abuse and abuse of vulnerable adults. Imagine having so few caseworkers that each worker had to cover seventy-four cases every month. Let me tell you -- that's outrageous. It can't be done. But that is the current situation in Texas; a situation that is finally being improved. Unfortunately, the process is slow. The hiring won't be complete until 2007. When it is finished, each caseworker will have a caseload of about 45. That sounds like a big improvement, and it is. But don't ever forget that that is still far too high. In 1998, their caseload was 24 cases per month. National Child Welfare experts urge a caseload of 12 to 15 per month. The Texas legislators point out that no state meets those guidelines. Tragically, they are correct. The Joint Chiefs of Staff will tell the president how many troops we need in Iraq, and the president will send them, but no state takes that attitude about abused children and abused adults. The Nature of the Job Contrary to what you see on TV, child protection workers don't simply swoop in and take children from their families. Whenever possible, they leave the family intact, and work closely with them to make things better. Many cases are due to ignorance, lack of parenting skills, lack of resources, ignorance of conditions, and so on. Except in the bad cases that make headlines, the goal of the Child Protection workers is to teach the family to help itself. That takes time, patience, and a lot of work. The caseworkers have to overcome barriers of language, culture and attitude, and sometimes face physical danger. But in the end, it is possible to create an intact, self-sustaining family that is happy and free of suffering. The Bottom Line After so many years of discouragement, of watching legislators abandon children and the elderly, the Texas action comes as a breath of fresh air. They have finally acknowledged the need, and have finally faced up to the fact that the solution will cost money. It seems like a lot of money. And it is! But remember -- it's still not enough. In 1941, before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the United States had six aircraft carriers. By the end of the war, we had more than one hundred. We needed them, so we built them. After we had built forty carriers, did anyone suggest that we stop? No -- we kept at it until the job was done. Find politicians in your state and ask them what the average caseload is for Child Protection workers. Tell them about the experts recommending 12 to 15 per month. Then encourage them to keep at it until the job is done. Updated: January 25, 2006 ... Need I add, Gagg, that you and your cronies here in this newsgroup are a pack of thoroughgoing LIARS! 0:-] http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm |
Greg? ... Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote: Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? Yep. Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? Not my area of expertise. Yours? (sarcasm) That's a lie. You meant very seriously to compare CPS to the mob, Greg. Which makes it appear that all the facts in the world do not matter to you. You simply will not accept the truth, and hence, you lie. I asked, Greg, for a reasonable response to ... "Can you provide some support for such and argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now?" Your dodge is an obvious admission that either you cannot, or you know better. Kane 0:- wrote: Would you say, Greg, that CPS is generally too well funded? Can you provide some support for such and argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now? Kane 0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: Thanks Betty! No no, thank YOU, Gagg. And remember, it's easier to sue to force CPS to "reform." What are Child Sexual Abuse and Incest? Child sexual abuse is any sexual act performed with a child by an adult or older child, with or without force or the threat of force. Child sexual abuse is most commonly committed by someone known to the child, including family members. In this case, the act may be considered incest. Incest is overt and/or covert sexual contact or acts between people who are related genetically, by marriage, by living arrangements, or in whom a child perceives a trusting relationship, for example parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, step-parents, foster parents. Incest is one of the most common forms of child sexual abuse. It may start as seemingly innocent touching and progress to more serious acts. It can continue for years. Other individuals who may commit child sexual abuse include neighbors, family friends, baby sitters, religious leaders, youth group leaders, or others with a power advantage of any kind over the child. Child sexual abuse may also be committed by a stranger. The acts can include: touching or non-touching, verbal seduction or abuse, anal or vaginal intercourse, oral sex, sodomy, manual stimulation, direct threats, implied threats, or other forms of abuse. http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm ... How can we fix the system that failed her? Legal Considerations We also need to inquire about the authority of the ACS investigators. How much power do they have? Is it enough? How far can they push an investigation against an uncooperative parent? If search warrants or anything similar are required, how easy are they to obtain? The Daily News reports that Nixzmary's stepfather had a previous assault charge. Do ACS investigators receive adequate protection when they investigate a complaint? What about the burden of proof ACS investigators have to meet? Is it reasonable, or is the bar set too high? Do the ACS workers have suggestions on changes that would make the system work more smoothly? Is there a weak point or bottleneck somewhere in the system that we could identify and address? .... ... Case Load We all agree that New York City is a pretty big place. So the first question is, how many people does ACS have on the job? Don't be satisfied with a total; ask for details. How many investigators, how many case workers, does ACS have on the streets? Do caseworkers do investigations and case management, or are they separate tasks? How much training do new caseworkers get? How much training does ACS wish they could get? Second question: how many active cases is ACS investigating? Again, insist on details. How many new reports of abuse does it receive in a month? How many ongoing cases do they have to keep up on? How many are quick checks and how many are involved and time-consuming? What is the average number of cases that each caseworker has to handle per week? Usually, when you do some simple math, you find that each caseworker has a ridiculous number of cases to fit into a regular workweek. But we're not done! Child abuse is one of most under-reported crimes in the world. Get some experts to make some informed estimates on how many unreported child abuse cases exist in New York City, and think about how to factor that into the caseworkers' workload. After we consider all of those numbers, then we can reflect on how likely it is that every child abuse report will get the kind of attention it deserves. ... http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inthenews/a/Texas.htm ... This is no surprise. People who work to help abused children and vulnerable adults have maintained for years that state funding cuts would result in this kind of suffering, but voters and legislators refused to listen. ... ... There is an old saying that "Quantity has a quality all its own," and in some ways, that applies to the challenge of protecting children and vulnerable adults. To do a proper job, you simply need the bodies -- the presence of trained workers -- on the street, looking, listening, and networking. ... ... Caseloads and Quality Think of our troops in Iraq and the job they are required to do there. Imagine, if you will, the troops trying to do their job with only 100 American soldiers in the country. Ridiculous, right? Think of our war on drugs, and imagine the DEA trying to do their jobs with only 50 agents in the agency. Outrageous, right? Now. Think of our campaign against child abuse and abuse of vulnerable adults. Imagine having so few caseworkers that each worker had to cover seventy-four cases every month. Let me tell you -- that's outrageous. It can't be done. But that is the current situation in Texas; a situation that is finally being improved. Unfortunately, the process is slow. The hiring won't be complete until 2007. When it is finished, each caseworker will have a caseload of about 45. That sounds like a big improvement, and it is. But don't ever forget that that is still far too high. In 1998, their caseload was 24 cases per month. National Child Welfare experts urge a caseload of 12 to 15 per month. The Texas legislators point out that no state meets those guidelines. Tragically, they are correct. The Joint Chiefs of Staff will tell the president how many troops we need in Iraq, and the president will send them, but no state takes that attitude about abused children and abused adults. The Nature of the Job Contrary to what you see on TV, child protection workers don't simply swoop in and take children from their families. Whenever possible, they leave the family intact, and work closely with them to make things better. Many cases are due to ignorance, lack of parenting skills, lack of resources, ignorance of conditions, and so on. Except in the bad cases that make headlines, the goal of the Child Protection workers is to teach the family to help itself. That takes time, patience, and a lot of work. The caseworkers have to overcome barriers of language, culture and attitude, and sometimes face physical danger. But in the end, it is possible to create an intact, self-sustaining family that is happy and free of suffering. The Bottom Line After so many years of discouragement, of watching legislators abandon children and the elderly, the Texas action comes as a breath of fresh air. They have finally acknowledged the need, and have finally faced up to the fact that the solution will cost money. It seems like a lot of money. And it is! But remember -- it's still not enough. In 1941, before the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, the United States had six aircraft carriers. By the end of the war, we had more than one hundred. We needed them, so we built them. After we had built forty carriers, did anyone suggest that we stop? No -- we kept at it until the job was done. Find politicians in your state and ask them what the average caseload is for Child Protection workers. Tell them about the experts recommending 12 to 15 per month. Then encourage them to keep at it until the job is done. Updated: January 25, 2006 ... Need I add, Gagg, that you and your cronies here in this newsgroup are a pack of thoroughgoing LIARS! 0:-] http://incestabuse.about.com/od/inth...a/Nixzmary.htm |
Greg? ... Child hating Greg exposes himself again
Greegor wrote: Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? Have they started to compete against you for the bottle and can business in Iowa? |
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G Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money?
K Yep. G Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? K Not my area of expertise. Yours? G (sarcasm) K That's a lie. You meant very seriously to compare CPS to the mob, Greg. How could sarcasm be a lie? K Which makes it appear that all the facts in the K world do not matter to you. You simply will not K accept the truth, and hence, you lie. Isn't that a dogmatists argument to atheists, Kane? K "Can you provide some support for such and K argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact K CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now?" K Your dodge is an obvious admission that K either you cannot, or you know better. Know better than to hand MORE money to a corrupt "enterprise"? |
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Greegor wrote: G Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? K Yep. G Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? K Not my area of expertise. Yours? G (sarcasm) K That's a lie. You meant very seriously to compare CPS to the mob, Greg. How could sarcasm be a lie? When it's a serious accusation rather then humorous sarcasm. K Which makes it appear that all the facts in the K world do not matter to you. You simply will not K accept the truth, and hence, you lie. Isn't that a dogmatists argument to atheists, Kane? They can use any argument they wish. The issue is, what are the facts? K "Can you provide some support for such and K argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact K CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now?" K Your dodge is an obvious admission that K either you cannot, or you know better. Know better than to hand MORE money to a corrupt "enterprise"? A very weak argument, Greg. You are supposed to show us, with the same kind or better data than I supply for my argument, that I am wrong, and that in fact CPS has adequate funding to perform effectively. Got any? 0:- |
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0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: G Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? K Yep. G Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? K Not my area of expertise. Yours? G (sarcasm) K That's a lie. You meant very seriously to compare CPS to the mob, Greg. How could sarcasm be a lie? When it's a serious accusation rather then humorous sarcasm. K Which makes it appear that all the facts in the K world do not matter to you. You simply will not K accept the truth, and hence, you lie. Isn't that a dogmatists argument to atheists, Kane? They can use any argument they wish. The issue is, what are the facts? K "Can you provide some support for such and K argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact K CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now?" K Your dodge is an obvious admission that K either you cannot, or you know better. Know better than to hand MORE money to a corrupt "enterprise"? A very weak argument, Greg. Please keep thinking that! You are supposed to show us, supposed to? with the same kind or better data than I supply for my argument, that I am wrong, and that in fact CPS has adequate funding to perform effectively. Got any? You call what you supply "data"? snicker Is that what Goebbels called his stuff? What do they need more money for, TO BUY WHITEOUT when the inspectors are coming?? |
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0:- wrote: Greegor wrote: G Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? K Yep. G Isn't it time to admit they just don't make a good enough living? K Not my area of expertise. Yours? G (sarcasm) K That's a lie. You meant very seriously to compare CPS to the mob, Greg. How could sarcasm be a lie? When it's a serious accusation rather then humorous sarcasm. K Which makes it appear that all the facts in the K world do not matter to you. You simply will not K accept the truth, and hence, you lie. Isn't that a dogmatists argument to atheists, Kane? They can use any argument they wish. The issue is, what are the facts? K "Can you provide some support for such and K argument, or isn't it time to admit that in fact K CPS is underfunded and has been for decades now?" K Your dodge is an obvious admission that K either you cannot, or you know better. Know better than to hand MORE money to a corrupt "enterprise"? A very weak argument, Greg. Please keep thinking that! It's not a matter of thinking it, I know it. You are supposed to show us, supposed to? Sure. You expect it of others. Or do you have a double standard. with the same kind or better data than I supply for my argument, that I am wrong, and that in fact CPS has adequate funding to perform effectively. Got any? You call what you supply "data"? snicker Sure do. You are lying now, Greg. Both the number of posts and the length of the posts as to content include many citations of data. For instance I just posted that the ACF itself recognizes that the claim made here that huge numbers of child non-victims are removed from families are in fact only 4% and that those are short term for investigation. ACF included the charts and numbers from data collected and aggregated from the states. I provided links directly to them. I'd call that data, would you not? And I'd call it providing them, would you not? Is that what Goebbels called his stuff? Darned if I know. Getting desperate, are you? What do they need more money for, TO BUY WHITEOUT when the inspectors are coming?? Now how many such cases can you come up with like that, Greg? You blow everything but your own misdeeds way out of proportion. That's not argument. That's called 'ranting.' Is Dan a felon, by the way? Are you willing to challenge laws you find distasteful to you by taking evidence you've broken one and use it in your case for "money," like you suggested to someone they do who had their children's return at risk? Let us know when you do that. And I'm thinking about surveying the Congressional record to see if you have indeed left vicious accusatory claims against the state of Iowa and its agents in your testimony uncorrected. Would you like me to review our conversation on this matter to help clear up your memory of it? Or do you believe still that Iowa misappropriated funds and did not create and staff the CRB offices around the state they were required to with the level of federal funding provided? No, the states need money for just such services, Greg. CRBs are there to protect families and children. Or hadn't you noticed? Kane |
Greg? ... Child hating Greg exposes himself again
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Do you think La Cosa Nostra makes too much money? Dan Sullivan wrote: Have they started to compete against you for the bottle and can business in Iowa? Probably. That's a lot of nickels. |
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