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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit
our household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for
the sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol (make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom,
but doubtful they would enforce it.

Ok.... that I can agree with. Doesn't matter....... the daughter makes
no money...... I think there would be no support ordered. But really,
it is irrevelent. Do you see another situation where family court
is going to do bad things to a family? I sure do. Money is going to
destroy another childs life. Sad.

It is already being destroyed by a sick grandmother who only thinks of
herself. The father has a lot going for himself, the child currently
resides in a highly dysfunctional household with a mentaly unstable
mother and grandmother.


Trust Paul to get to the crux of the problem.

She has created a hostile environment for the father.....and she
maintains an 'ownership' mentality toward the grandchild.......neither
will play well with a judge if the father has a competent lawyer.



Well unfortunately it doesn't seem either parent is what's best for this
child but then again we're only seeing one side of the story. Let's hope
the judge gets all the facts and makes the best decision for this child
and not the children fighting over her.

Agreed.....the child should have been placed for adoption a long time ago.



Christine

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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit
our household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for
the sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol (make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom,
but doubtful they would enforce it.




How you doing by the way?

Hanging in there........doing lots of chauffeur work LOL.

Looking forward to New Yeas in the Carribean again :-)


Can I come? ~bats eyelashes~

You trying to make Tiff jealous again? LOL


Ok, compromise, bring us both. lol

That is not a compromise....that is a death wish LO



How would an old guy like me keep up with both of you two young things?
;-)




Viagra and heart meds.

LMAO....... ;-p



T

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You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her daughter
or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.

hello out there. I've lost track of the thread so am chiming in at an
inappropriate point, but I would like to know more about the paternal
grandparents. What is their home like? Do they have money? Can they
provide for this baby?

Karen

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It takes a while but they catch up with the deadbeats !

I just know of one woman who's kids are grown and her paycheck is
being deducted by the D.A. for past child support to payback her
exhusband (who took care of the kids).

That's all I know.

Karen

Karen, where I used to work, I caught up with a man who did not pay for 22
years.
I was able to call the mother, who relayed the message to the children, who
were waiting 22 years to see him. Too bad it is in court.
V

She has created a hostile environment for the father.....and she maintains
an 'ownership' mentality toward the grandchild.......neither will play
well with a judge if the father has a competent lawyer.



Well unfortunately it doesn't seem either parent is what's best for this
child but then again we're only seeing one side of the story. Let's hope
the judge gets all the facts and makes the best decision for this child and
not the children fighting over her.

Christine


Sadly, the judge won't order the child go up for adoption. That would still
probably be the best bet for this child even at almost 1 year old.

sigh Sometimes a "King Solomon" type mentality would be of great benefit in
today's lack of society.

Just my 2 cents.........
Christine

Subject: what do you think?
From: "Tiffany"
Date: 11/16/2004 11:42 AM Eastern Standard Time
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It is already being destroyed by a sick grandmother who only thinks of
herself. The father has a lot going for himself, the child currently
resides in a highly dysfunctional household with a mentaly unstable
mother
and grandmother.




Trust Paul to get to the crux of the problem.

Christine


Apparently you suck too.............

Original. Very original. Why bash on Christine because she pointed out
Paul's ability to get to the crux?

T



Tiff, because Christine and Pauls Crux is wrong, I am not a sick grandmother, I
am the mother of a daughter with mental health , and emotional issues that have
resurfaced due to the babies fathers consistent emotional abuse and harrassment
since the day he walked away from both my daughter and his. He never seems to
have any money when his daughter needed clothes or shoes, my daughter would
call and ask for some food from him since that is what she settled for for 11
months and the 7 jars of food he would send with his parents cause he didn't
seem to have the time to even pick his daughter up for visits, he was too busy
with his new girlfriend.Why shopuld my daughter or granddaughter have to wait
or call him every friggen week for the 7 jars of food? Sometimes she would get
well I am busy right now maybe tomorrow. The young man has enough money to be
driving a 2000 car with light effects and a bangin stereo system, but a few
jars of food was too much ....So after all the emotional mind ****ing he gave
my daughter she finally decided to go for support, I never pushed her to it ,
but do support her choice because this young man bailed and that is what the
truth is.Will I stand behind my daughter and see to it my granddaughter gets
what she deserves from this deadbeat YES and so would any of you that would
find themselves in this position.

Subject: what do you think?
From: "Tiffany"
Date: 11/16/2004 11:30 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Date: 11/16/2004 7:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave
ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take it
off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am metally
ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby with
all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care, I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any mother
would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is you
pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the
islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual innuendo
there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off topic, he
told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his thinking might
be
the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.

T

Come on Tiff, stop playing that that was an all sweet non-sexual comment
from
Kate.
I am sorry if I misunderstood your intentions of the word, but I know what
Kate
meant...heh.. she is like that, she likes to play. I am upset with her
choice
to use my thread to do so.


I am sure she might have been playing around.... so what? Its wrong to make
a joke in the mist of a serious situation?
Yes when the serious situation involves a family crisis, that someone asked for
advice for in a single parents group.

..BTW, I wasn't playing that it was
a non-sexual comment from Kate. I was stating that it didn't start out as
anything other then me telling Paul he sucks for going to the islands.

I know Tiff , it was not you that started the mind/gutter desent.

..This
is Usenet, anyone can make any comment in any thread.

I know Tiff, people sometimes do try to use this forum for good honest help and
a little compassion and thoughtfulness would help when things get hard for a
family, whether you like the damn grandmother or not.

It was not inappropriate either. I would have replied to Kate's joking but I
am trying to keep my hormones under control.

We disagree...cause I am the one hurt by the "**** you" I felt. Sorry. I enjoy
playing too , lord knows I surely understand hormones , It was not a good time
for me and I lashed out .

Bev
T

Subject: what do you think?
From: "P.Fritz"
Date: 11/16/2004 8:45 AM Eastern Standard Time
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You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her daughter
or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.



Paul, I am sorry this is how I am perceived . My daughters and grand daughters
best interests ARE what motivates me. I agree, I am in this deeper than I
thought I ever would of had to been, it gets easy to fall into that when you
have a kid that will not stand up for themselves and as a parent you hate to
see them be walked all over by jerks. My daughter has a communication problem
she has difficulty expressing what she is feeling, this is all very frustrating
for her, she has learning disabilities as well , Not an idiot not a psycho, not
a danger to her baby, this is my kid and she loves her daughter .
If what is best for my daughter is to survive the limits she was born with and
does not get discriminated against because of her limits, then yes what I do is
whats best for her. What is best for me ?, to stay
strong.
while I stand by my

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Date: 11/16/2004 11:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take
it off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am
metally ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby
with all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care,
I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any
mother would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is
you pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all
yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual
innuendo there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off
topic, he told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his
thinking might be the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.


You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her
daughter or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.

T

Yeah I've sure noticed that as well.


But all she sees is I somehow 'hate' her.....(I think it is a 'little bit'
of projection on her part)

I hate that you suck.