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State's autism rises despite vaccine change

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Autism cases in California continued
to climb even after a mercury-rich vaccine preservative that some
people blame for the neurological disorder was removed from routine
childhood shots, a new study found.

Researchers from the state Department of Public Health found the
autism rate in children rose continuously during the 12-year study
period from 1995 to 2007. The preservative thimerosal hasn't been used
in childhood vaccines since 2001, but is used in some flu shots.

Doctors say the latest study adds to existing evidence refuting a link
between thimerosal exposure and autism risk and should reassure
parents that the disorder is not caused by vaccinations. If there was
a risk, they said, autism rates should have dropped between 2004 and
2007.

....

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/01/07....ap/index.html

Another take on it at:

Mercury-vaccine link to autism disproven: study

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A new study provides more proof that childhood
vaccines with mercury as a preservative -- no longer on the market --
did not cause autism, researchers reported on Monday.

The findings came from a look at children diagnosed with autism in
California from 1995 to 2007. It found that the number of autism cases
continued to rise through that period even though the preservative
thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury -- was
removed from most vaccines in 2001.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080107/...cinations_dc_1

And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).

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On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change

snip


And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).

Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole, Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.


--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change

snip


And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).

Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole, Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.

Yes, we much-maligned "naysayers" have earned a little triumphalism, I
think.

Most people don't need any depth of knowledge about science or medicine.
We can't blame them for that ---that is why we have scientists and why we
have doctors, just as we have other kinds of specialists to build our homes
and fly our planes.

What we can fault some for is the arrogant assurance that their own
half-baked medical beliefs are undoubtedly correct and their refusal to even
look at overwhelmingly contrary evidence. The thiomerosal-autism things is
only the latest of many dearly held alt theories that have been proved
wrong, but that doesn't seem to register either..

PM

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"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change

snip


And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).

Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole,

Hey I resent that ... just watch who you call a nutjob.
There's nothing unscientific about cellsalts, they've been a regular part of
naturapathy and alternative medicine for 150 years.
All you've got is a type of science that forbids innovation and suppresses
therapies that can't be patented.
And when you go to the doctor they can't really work out what's wrong with
you to make you healthy, just which drugs you need.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net



Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.


--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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"Peter Moran" wrote in message
...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change

snip


And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).

Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole, Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.

Yes, we much-maligned "naysayers" have earned a little triumphalism, I
think.

Most people don't need any depth of knowledge about science or medicine.
We can't blame them for that ---that is why we have scientists and why we
have doctors, just as we have other kinds of specialists to build our
homes
and fly our planes.

But the problem is the people become disempowered and aren't allowed to
think for themselves. They are taught to defer to "experts" and "reliable
sources" for everything which leaves them vulnerable.
People should think for themselves because the experts aren't always right
and often get used by vested interests to push for dubious purposes.



What we can fault some for is the arrogant assurance that their own
half-baked medical beliefs are undoubtedly correct and their refusal to
even
look at overwhelmingly contrary evidence. The thiomerosal-autism things
is
only the latest of many dearly held alt theories that have been proved
wrong, but that doesn't seem to register either..

I haven't got "arrogant assurance", what I've got is reasoned belief rather
than taking at face value everything from "experts" and "reliable sources"
who are, either wittingly or unwittingly, serving the interests of various
cartels, where science is twisted and incomplete with all concept of the
ether being removed.
In a world where knowledge is power, they prefer to keep the people in the
dark -- so much easier to control that way.

Carole
www.cellsalts.net


PM

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Carole wrote:
"Peter Moran" wrote in message
...
"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change
snip

And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).
Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole, Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.
Yes, we much-maligned "naysayers" have earned a little triumphalism, I
think.

Most people don't need any depth of knowledge about science or medicine.
We can't blame them for that ---that is why we have scientists and why we
have doctors, just as we have other kinds of specialists to build our
homes
and fly our planes.

But the problem is the people become disempowered and aren't allowed to
think for themselves.

Bull****. Everyone one of your posts, as stupid as they are, are proof
that you, and everyone else is "allowed" to think for themselves.

If there was any form of "thought control" websites such as Whale.to,
Newstarget, and their ilk, would not exist. By their very presence and
accessibility by anyone with a computer proves that there is no thought
control.


They are taught to defer to "experts" and "reliable
sources" for everything which leaves them vulnerable.

No one is taught that in any school I am familiar with. Listen to
experts, people who have studied and researched subjects, and do your
own research.

If you reject all experts, then the next time you fly in an airplane,
ask the guy sitting next to you to replace the pilot, since pilots are
experts in flying planes.

People should think for themselves because the experts aren't always right
and often get used by vested interests to push for dubious purposes.

When facts are short, use a conspiracy to fill the void (between the ears).



What we can fault some for is the arrogant assurance that their own
half-baked medical beliefs are undoubtedly correct and their refusal to
even
look at overwhelmingly contrary evidence. The thiomerosal-autism things
is
only the latest of many dearly held alt theories that have been proved
wrong, but that doesn't seem to register either..

I haven't got "arrogant assurance", what I've got is reasoned belief rather
than taking at face value everything from "experts" and "reliable sources"
who are, either wittingly or unwittingly, serving the interests of various
cartels, where science is twisted and incomplete with all concept of the
ether being removed.
In a world where knowledge is power, they prefer to keep the people in the
dark -- so much easier to control that way.

See above. You do have arrogant assurance. There is a "vaccine" for it.

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Carole wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change
snip

And yes, I know that the second story contains the idiotic statement
"thimerosal -- nearly half of which is made of ethylmercury". I can
only assume that the "journalist" studied chemistry at the University
of Kentucky (if at all).
Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole,

Hey I resent that ... just watch who you call a nutjob.

Mark was only going by what you post.

There's nothing unscientific about cellsalts, they've been a regular part of
naturapathy and alternative medicine for 150 years.

Naturapathy and alternative medicine are unscientific.

All you've got is a type of science that forbids innovation and suppresses
therapies that can't be patented.

Not so. It is called real science.

And when you go to the doctor they can't really work out what's wrong with
you to make you healthy, just which drugs you need.

Proof of Mark's first comment.


Carole
www.cellsalts.net



Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought. Let us
pity these souls and take the high road. Surely, they are nincompoops
and aggressive asses...they can't help it. Somewhere along the
evolutionary line they missed the boat, the Good Ship Lolli-Sense.

They can't help what they are. I think the best course is to tolerate
their rants in much the same way an adult will watch a fit-throwing 2-
year-old bang his head on the floor: you aren't going to make me get
you another popsicle, and the sooner your head hurts, the sooner you
will realize it.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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State's autism rises despite vaccine change

No vacs for my kids thank you. And there is nothing you can do to change
that. Now this is the part where you get to blather, so please do.

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"Mark" wrote in Nothing worth bandwidth.

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"Peter Moran" wrote in message n
Tripe