My Daddy Misses Me posters
With the latest effort by the CSE in Virginia to track down low income
parents, I had an idea come to me as to how to counteract this. One of the obstacles for a compatible list of "visitation violators" or "parenting time purloiners" is the threat of a lawsuit for libel or invasion of privacy, the things that interestingly enough the government immunizes itself from. Well, there are a couple of ways to prevent a lawsuit. The first is to only put up posters of people who have flagrantly violated a court order. This would have the advantage that it is backed up by a court document, and therefore, qualified immunity applies. The only thing that is bad with this, however, is that you would actually have to wait for the courts to make this finding, and we all know how slow it is when it comes to trivial issues like father's playing a role in their children's lives other than "cash fund". But libel law in the United States is rather generous in some other ways. For instance, if the statement is a true opinion, you cannot be sued for that. And a statement that says "My Daddy Misses Me" is just that. The mother certainly isn't a psychic, and there's no way she can make him testify against himself. So what I came up with is a set of fliers labeled "My Daddy Misses Me" that I'd love to distribute around or near the places propagating the deadbeat lists. I've put up a mockup at http://www.ncprevue.com/mydaddymissesme.pdf If anybody else has any ideas about this, or suggestions, I'd love to hear them. -- The NCP Revue -- http://www.ncprevue.com/blog |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
"John Meyer" wrote With the latest effort by the CSE in Virginia to track down low income parents, I had an idea come to me as to how to counteract this. One of the obstacles for a compatible list of "visitation violators" or "parenting time purloiners" is the threat of a lawsuit for libel or invasion of privacy, the things that interestingly enough the government immunizes itself from. ................................ So what I came up with is a set of fliers labeled "My Daddy Misses Me" that I'd love to distribute around or near the places propagating the deadbeat lists. I've put up a mockup at http://www.ncprevue.com/mydaddymissesme.pdf If anybody else has any ideas about this, or suggestions, I'd love to hear them. == John, This is an excellent idea! |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Gini wrote:
== John, This is an excellent idea! Now we need a plan to follow it up. Designing the poster isn't that difficult (though if anybody has experience with DTP and particiularily Scribus the help would be appreciated). The thing is going to be gathering the names and pictures to put up on these posters. Although we could do it nationwide, I'd like to focus the posters so that they are more localized. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
"John Meyer" wrote Gini wrote: == John, This is an excellent idea! Now we need a plan to follow it up. Designing the poster isn't that difficult (though if anybody has experience with DTP and particiularily Scribus the help would be appreciated). The thing is going to be gathering the names and pictures to put up on these posters. Although we could do it nationwide, I'd like to focus the posters so that they are more localized. == Well, Bob is good with logistics and Ron is really creative so maybe they'll have some suggestions for you. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Gini wrote: "John Meyer" wrote Gini wrote: == John, This is an excellent idea! Now we need a plan to follow it up. Designing the poster isn't that difficult (though if anybody has experience with DTP and particiularily Scribus the help would be appreciated). The thing is going to be gathering the names and pictures to put up on these posters. Although we could do it nationwide, I'd like to focus the posters so that they are more localized. == Well, Bob is good with logistics and Ron is really creative so maybe they'll have some suggestions for you. Blush I think this is a top-notch idea as well. I don't know much about graphic design but I'll give it a think. I've also had an idea in my head for a while about making little comic books, like the sorts that Jack Chick produces for Christian proselytizing. Again the problem is that I'm a better writer than an artists, and comics need good pictures. So, how to gather names and pictures? Where is this going to be posted? I'm assuming you'll want local area as much as possible, so which area is important. Also, could there be legal repercussions for putting up pictures of children (even one's own children for a NCP) in a public place? You know the family courts will stoop as low as it takes. I think I will take your idea to the local chapter of F4J (Rhode Island) that just started up -- this might be something they would be interested in doing. Can't really use my son though since I already have him half the time. - Ron ^*^ |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Werebat wrote:
Gini wrote: "John Meyer" wrote Gini wrote: == John, This is an excellent idea! Now we need a plan to follow it up. Designing the poster isn't that difficult (though if anybody has experience with DTP and particiularily Scribus the help would be appreciated). The thing is going to be gathering the names and pictures to put up on these posters. Although we could do it nationwide, I'd like to focus the posters so that they are more localized. == Well, Bob is good with logistics and Ron is really creative so maybe they'll have some suggestions for you. Blush I think this is a top-notch idea as well. I don't know much about graphic design but I'll give it a think. I've also had an idea in my head for a while about making little comic books, like the sorts that Jack Chick produces for Christian proselytizing. Again the problem is that I'm a better writer than an artists, and comics need good pictures. So, how to gather names and pictures? That's something I am going to have to explore. I might try to do something on the NCPRevue web site. We might have to filter out names though through a background check. I hate to do it, but we really wouldn't want this to come back and bite us in the ass. Where is this going to be posted? I'm assuming you'll want local area as much as possible, so which area is important. I'd want to put these up in the same particular area that they are putting up the "Deadbeat" posters. With the grocery stores, I could envision finding out where these places are, then spreading out with fliers and posting them on the windshields of cars. Also, could there be legal repercussions for putting up pictures of children (even one's own children for a NCP) in a public place? You know the family courts will stoop as low as it takes. I know that. Originally I was thinking about doing visitation violators, but focusing on the CPs might lead to defamation unless you are VERY careful about that. This way, they can't really complain. The message is "my parent misses me" something that's almost impossible for the other side to even disprove, as it is an emotion. What I'd really like is to get parents with joint "legal" custody (now that would be a laugh to use that term on our side for once) who are being denied visitation. Now, I am not a lawyer, I haven't even played one on TV. And in as bad as some of them are, we may want to ask a lawyer, maybe one that specializes in father's rights, would there be any sort of an invasion of privacy with this just to be on the safe side. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
"John Meyer" wrote ............. I'd want to put these up in the same particular area that they are putting up the "Deadbeat" posters. With the grocery stores, I could envision finding out where these places are, then spreading out with fliers and posting them on the windshields of cars. == Nope. That could get you a littering fine. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
"Gini" wrote in message news:cNu2i.19880$5Z6.15667@trndny05... "John Meyer" wrote ............ I'd want to put these up in the same particular area that they are putting up the "Deadbeat" posters. With the grocery stores, I could envision finding out where these places are, then spreading out with fliers and posting them on the windshields of cars. == Nope. That could get you a littering fine. The government officials protect themselves by getting other government types to rule in their favor. When the local fathers rights group began protesting with graphic signs in front of the local county courthouse against specific domestic relationship judges, another judge ruled protesters could not be on the public sidewalk with signs in front of the courthouse. When the protests moved to the local city gathering public square, another judge ruled those protests had to be limited in scope. My experience is when anyone attempts to take on the judicial system head-to-head the judicial system circles the wagons to resist the direct assault on their authority and uses their internal resources to shut off free speech. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Gini wrote:
"John Meyer" wrote ............ I'd want to put these up in the same particular area that they are putting up the "Deadbeat" posters. With the grocery stores, I could envision finding out where these places are, then spreading out with fliers and posting them on the windshields of cars. == Nope. That could get you a littering fine. First off, I'd want to see what they are doing in terms of enforcing that littering fine with anybody else who puts up those fliers (restaurants, etc). |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
On May 15, 10:16 am, John Meyer wrote:
With the latest effort by the CSE in Virginia to track down low income parents, I had an idea come to me as to how to counteract this. One of the obstacles for a compatible list of "visitation violators" or "parenting time purloiners" is the threat of a lawsuit for libel or invasion of privacy, the things that interestingly enough the government immunizes itself from. Well, there are a couple of ways to prevent a lawsuit. The first is to only put up posters of people who have flagrantly violated a court order. This would have the advantage that it is backed up by a court document, and therefore, qualified immunity applies. The only thing that is bad with this, however, is that you would actually have to wait for the courts to make this finding, and we all know how slow it is when it comes to trivial issues like father's playing a role in their children's lives other than "cash fund". But libel law in the United States is rather generous in some other ways. For instance, if the statement is a true opinion, you cannot be sued for that. And a statement that says "My Daddy Misses Me" is just that. The mother certainly isn't a psychic, and there's no way she can make him testify against himself. So what I came up with is a set of fliers labeled "My Daddy Misses Me" that I'd love to distribute around or near the places propagating the deadbeat lists. I've put up a mockup athttp://www.ncprevue.com/mydaddymissesme.pdf If anybody else has any ideas about this, or suggestions, I'd love to hear them. -- The NCP Revue --http://www.ncprevue.com/blog This is an AWESOME ideA! I LOVE it! I am a father with three sons. I have joint legal custody and have been involved in a 5 year long custody struggle. My Ex stopped allowing me court ordered phone calls and every-other-weekend visitation with my sons so I filed a petition to enforce placement (this is the second time I've had to do this in less than 2 years). I love the posters and would LOVE to see the look on her face if she saw a poster in her local grocery store with my 3 sons' faces on it and "We Miss Our Dad!" And honestly, I know they do. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
While I think this is a good idea, I'd definitely check with a lawyer
first. I know that there could be problems when publishing personally identifiable information of a minor without parental consent. I assume the parental consent must come from a parent who is legally allowed to consent. You may need to limit your posters to those whose NCP has joint legal custody, I don't know. On Tue, 15 May 2007 09:16:02 -0600, John Meyer wrote: With the latest effort by the CSE in Virginia to track down low income parents, I had an idea come to me as to how to counteract this. One of the obstacles for a compatible list of "visitation violators" or "parenting time purloiners" is the threat of a lawsuit for libel or invasion of privacy, the things that interestingly enough the government immunizes itself from. Well, there are a couple of ways to prevent a lawsuit. The first is to only put up posters of people who have flagrantly violated a court order. This would have the advantage that it is backed up by a court document, and therefore, qualified immunity applies. The only thing that is bad with this, however, is that you would actually have to wait for the courts to make this finding, and we all know how slow it is when it comes to trivial issues like father's playing a role in their children's lives other than "cash fund". But libel law in the United States is rather generous in some other ways. For instance, if the statement is a true opinion, you cannot be sued for that. And a statement that says "My Daddy Misses Me" is just that. The mother certainly isn't a psychic, and there's no way she can make him testify against himself. So what I came up with is a set of fliers labeled "My Daddy Misses Me" that I'd love to distribute around or near the places propagating the deadbeat lists. I've put up a mockup at http://www.ncprevue.com/mydaddymissesme.pdf If anybody else has any ideas about this, or suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Beverly |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Beverly wrote:
While I think this is a good idea, I'd definitely check with a lawyer first. I know that there could be problems when publishing personally identifiable information of a minor without parental consent. I assume the parental consent must come from a parent who is legally allowed to consent. You may need to limit your posters to those whose NCP has joint legal custody, I don't know. But Beverly, don' you know by default all the judges do JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
John Meyer wrote: Beverly wrote: While I think this is a good idea, I'd definitely check with a lawyer first. I know that there could be problems when publishing personally identifiable information of a minor without parental consent. I assume the parental consent must come from a parent who is legally allowed to consent. You may need to limit your posters to those whose NCP has joint legal custody, I don't know. But Beverly, don' you know by default all the judges do JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. Yes but I suspect consenting NCPs would get a quick schooling in just how little this means if CPs complained about their kids' pictures being put up in public (in a way that casts the family courts in a negative light). But you already know this. - Ron ^*^ |
My Daddy Misses Me posters
Werebat wrote:
John Meyer wrote: Beverly wrote: While I think this is a good idea, I'd definitely check with a lawyer first. I know that there could be problems when publishing personally identifiable information of a minor without parental consent. I assume the parental consent must come from a parent who is legally allowed to consent. You may need to limit your posters to those whose NCP has joint legal custody, I don't know. But Beverly, don' you know by default all the judges do JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. Yes but I suspect consenting NCPs would get a quick schooling in just how little this means if CPs complained about their kids' pictures being put up in public (in a way that casts the family courts in a negative light). But you already know this. - Ron ^*^ Like I say, only bisexuals get it both ways, and who said anything about this ending up in FAMILY court? I have a fairly good relationship with my ex, but if we were at loggerheads over this and I had to resort to this to enforce my rights, the last place I would let it be heard is in family court. At the most I demand a jury trial and let everything be heard by a court of my peers. And like Tom Martino says when somebody threatens to sue him, "discovery is a bitch". This I think would particularly hold up if you have an order of custody and/or visitation rights, which is what I initially said you should limit it to. Privacy is not a right to violate the law and get away with it. |
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