"Bob Officer" .@. wrote in message ...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:55:43 +1100, in misc.health.alternative,
"carole" wrote:




What you're describing john sounds like the patriarchal culture, where the macho men reign by secrecy, authoritarian regimes,
hierarchical systems and brute force.

However, that doesn't sound like science at all. All the science that counts is published in publicly available journals, often
available at libraries or over the internet for free. The abstracts (summaries) of the articles are almost always available for
free.

Ah yes, but Jeff, only certain health research is considered worthy of funding.

Yes, research which shows promise.

No, research which doesn't threaten big pharma.


Who decides what is and what isn't worthy of funding?

Well I guess you would actually look at avenues which haven't been
explored. After all how many times do you spend money to find the
evidence doesn't support Iridology or some other already explored
avenue shown to be a failure?

That was a rhetorical question bob.


Allopathy is simply another patriarchal dominating nature system, where the germ must be killed, the disease cut out or
poisoned --rather than looking at the body as a whole system that must be kept in balance with nature.

Whether the leaders in medicine are male or female is irrelevant. Medicine is guided by science, not your "balance with nature"
garbage. The science shows that infectious diseases are caused by bacteria, viruses and other microbes, when cancer is cut out,
there is a higher survival rate and that chemotherapy saves lives every day - 1/2 of people with cancer are cured and 75-80% of
kids with cancer are cured.

Divided Legacy -- The Philosophical and Historical Roots of Holistic Approaches to Health
22/12/2005
http://www.naturalmatters.net/articl...icle=879&cat=4

"The title, Divided Legacy, refers to the two predominant schools of thought or traditions that have dominated Western medical
history. Although the two schools were not formalized with every practitioner aligning him/herself with one or the other school,
Coulter's analysis shows convincing evidence how some of the best physicians and healers believed and practiced mainly in one or
the
other tradition.

"One school was known as the Rationalist school, while the other was the Empirical school. The Rationalist school sought to
understand health, disease, and the treatment of disease in an analytical fashion; It sought causes of disease and methods of
treatment in a systematic and rational manner. It focused on the anatomical and biochemical nature of the human being as ways to
understanding the parts of the organism and how to make them function properly.

"The Rationalist school, of which modern medicine is the latest development, has claimed the title of being the "scientific"
medicine. At the same time, it asserted that other approaches to understanding health and to the treatment of disease were
unscientific and were often to be considered as "quackery." The meaning and significance of scientific methodology are discussed
in
detail in volumes II and III of Divided Legacy.

"Coulter points out that although the Rationalists explained why their methods worked or didn't work, their explanations were soon
disproven and were replaced by a new set of "facts." Comparatively, Coulter describes the scientific characteristics of the
Empirical school and how and why their observations and their health practices have been utilized for long periods of time.
Whether
the outcomes have been successful has not been adequately determined statistically; however, the great numbers of people over many
centuries who have made use of the various Empirical health practices should encourage clinicians and researchers to look more
closely at Empirical perspectives and practices."

I wonder where in the hell you got this foggy misuse of the terms
rationalist and empiricist.

The terms "rationalist" and "empiricist" are found in a lot of different writings on health.
Here is another example.


http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbc...PHISM%20DEBATE
was http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/hysty.html

"THE HISTORY OF THE PLEOMORPHISM/
MONOMORPHISM DEBATE
WHY PLEOMORPHISM IS UNKNOWN TO MODERN MEDICINE

A dichotomy in medical speculation, an unresolved philosophical conflict, has existed from ancient times to the present. This
conflict is between two theories known traditionally as Empiricism and Rationalism.

"While this conflict can be discerned in the earliest writings of the Hippocratic Corpus, from the fifth century BC, the names
Empirical and Rationalist became current in Rome at the beginning of the Christian era - designating groups of physicians competing
with one another ideologically and economically." (Divided Legacy, Harris Counter, pg. xv.)

The main form of medicine practiced today is of the Rationalist or Rationalist/Methodist point of view. Rationalism involves a
mechanistic or chemical understanding of the human organism. It maintains that life itself can be explained by physics and
chemistry, or, more generally speaking, by mechanics. Rationalism maintains that there is no essential difference between the
structural chemistry of life and that of inanimate nature."



The man is confused because the two term mean almost the same thing.
or is has confused the concept of naturalism and converted it into
Rationalism, because he thought that was more flattering.

Rational people use evidence. just as Empiricalist use evidence.

True.
However,


Today we have patriarchal society where male values dominate and infiltrate every aspect of society. However, it is beginning
to
change as move women into top jobs where decisions are made and policies are formed.

Being male or female has nothing to do with science. Ideas and evidence rule.

Not necessarily.

You are wrong, Data and facts remain the same not matter who looks at
it. Data and facts are gender neutral, it doesn't matter who created
the evidence it is how the data is created.

Data and facts in isolation don't always prove anything. Its often in the interpretation.


--
Carole
www.conspiracee.com
Bob Officer finally admits it -"I am a tool"
http://groups.google.com.au/group/mi...ss+epidemic%22