On Sep 4, 8:57 pm, Dexter Sinatra wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:45:17 -0700, "R. Steve Walz"



wrote:
Anna wrote:

Here is an interesting book.

Beyond Tolerance: Child Pornography on the Internet By Philip Jenkins

http://books.google.com/books?id=9tkKyuii6mgC&pg=PA82

From pages 81-82

Probably the most common type of soft-core photographs involves nude
young girls in innocent and non-sexual settings: these are the staples
of egroup trade. Many of thse images have been taken in nudist camps
or on nude beaches and they generally picture children in groups or
with their families, playing sports, or using playgrounds. If not for
the context, the scene would seem remarkably wholesome. In the whole
range of images these are the least harmful, since the photographs
were taken without causing any harm to the subjects. The material
does raise sensitive questions, however, about the nudist/naturist
subcultures and its alleged relationship to child pornography.
Particularly in North America, naturalists have long been regarded as
amiable cranks, but various activists and pressure groups have
suggested that the movement has attracted more than its share of
pedophiles and pornographers, and substantial evidence of misbehavior
comes from criminal investigtions and convictions over the years.
Without having to accept extreme charges about mass perversions in the
nudist world, the volume of nudist photography, particularly involving
small children and toddlers, does indicate that the naturist movement
has been exploited for pornographic purposes.
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And so have National Geographic and the Sears and Monkey-Ward's catalog!

The point being that what you're talking about is INTENT, and you're
NEVER going to be able to criminalize internal mental attitudes, it
is impossible to determine, finally, someone's internal thought
processes and desires, and it is also impossibly invasive, beyond
the pale of all the laws in free nations, so just give it up.

The ONLY reputable evidence ANYWAY, for ANY connection between porn
of EVERY kind and sexual violence is that porn ASSUAGES, or SATES the
motivations of potential assailants, as any porn of any kind might do
for any OTHER sexual activity. In other words, IF you use porn to "get
off" through masturbation (And what then would be the purpose if NOT
masturbation?) then your motivation to offend is diminished for the
period of time masturbation sates your ability to respond sexually,
which for most male humans is a day or two, if not longer.

This principle of human sexual behavior is well born-out by all the
European studies where this has been studied extensively in connection
with the sensible updating of their sexual and social laws, and which
are always, it seems, a little bit in advance of ours in the USA.

The Meese Report commisioned by the republican President at the time,
has cited these as the reason that, in all scientific conscience, and
AS MUCH AS THAT SIDE OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO,
that they could NOT find scientific evidence for porn stimulating
sexual violence, but in fact ONLY THE REVERSE, and that a BANNING of
such porn may well actually STIMULATE sexual assaults!!

Now in the case of porn that constitutes evidence of a crime, we might
make exception, but in the case where the crime is consensual and only
statutory, or where it isn't a legal crime at ALL, we might be better
off, in terms of the rate of sexual assault, if would be better for us
to leave such mild "porn", or whatever it is, the hell alone so that it
can do its good work or PREVENTING sexual assault, as it is WELL-KNOWN
to do!!

Incorrect. many child abusers acknowledge the role pornography played
in their offences.

A study of sex offenders reported that 56 per cent of the rapists and
42 per cent of the child molesters in the sample said that pornography
played a role in their offenses (2).

2. Abel, G., in Einsiedel, E.F., Social Science Report. Prepared for
the Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, U.S. Department of
Justice, Washington, D.C., 1986.

***Sexual Assault & Pornography: The Links***

http://www.ncf.ca/ip/social.services...isis/porno.txt

(This is one of six fact sheets on the topic of sexual assault
prepared by the
Ontario Women's Directorate, 1992.)

Numerous research studies have highlighted the links between
pornography and
sexual assault.

Pornography is defined as sexually explicit material that portrays and
endorses degrading or abusive sexual behaviour (1).

Sexual assault is defined here as any unwanted act of a sexual nature.

FACTS TO CONSIDER:

A study of sex offenders reported that 56 per cent of the rapists and
42 per
cent of the child molesters in the sample said that pornography played
a role
in their offenses (2).

A study of video pornography ('adult' videos and highly restricted, or
'triple-X,' videos) found that 13 per cent of all scenes involved
sexual
violence, including rape (53 per cent), sexual harassment (35 per
cent),
sadomasochism (17.5 per cent), and sexual mutilation (six per cent).
This
study also indicated that 'adult' videos had more portrayals of sexual
aggression per movie than triple-x videos (3).

A national survey of Canadians' use of pornography indicates that:
-young people aged 12 to 17 years are the primary consumers of
pornography
-35 per cent of these young people expressed an interest in
watching
sexually violent scenes (rape, torture, bondage etc.) (4).

ISSUES TO CONSIDER:

Males commit most sexual assaults, and are also the biggest consumers
of
pornography (5).

Violent and dehumanizing pornography has been shown to:
-increase the incidence of rape myths
-increase the acceptance of violence against women
-decrease sensitivity to the suffering of rape victims
-increase sexual callousness
-increase male willingness to rape (6)

Studies indicate that pornography undermines internal inhibitions
against rape
(7). It presents women as objects and perpetuates the myth that women
enjoy
rape and find it sexually exciting.

In an experiment on desensitization, researchers showed men 10 hours
of
R-rated movies with sexual violence over a five-day period. On the
last day,
the men watched a documentary re-enacting a real rape trial. The men
blamed
the rape victim more for the rape, rated her as significantly more
worthless,
and saw her injury as significantly less severe than did a control
group of
men who had not viewed the R-rated movies (9).

Early studies indicate that debriefing participants of such studies,
in an
attempt to discount various false messages and myths about rape, can
in fact
counteract certain effects of exposure to violent pornography and can
even
reduce the acceptance of rape myths.

References:
1. Longino, H., "What is Pornography," in Lederere, L., (ed.), Take
Back the
Night. New York: William Morrow, 1980, p.44.

2. Abel, G., in Einsiedel, E.F., Social Science Report. Prepared for
the
Attorney General's Commission on Pornography, U.S. Department of
Justice,
Washington, D.C., 1986.

3. Palys, T.S., "Testing the Common Wisdom: The Social Content of
Video
Pornography," Canadian Psychology, 27, 1986, pp.22-35.

4. Check, J., "Curriculum Development Research Needs Assessment:
Attitudes
and Behaviour Regarding Pornography and Sexual Coercion in
Metropolitan
Toronto High School Students." York University: Department of
Psychology,
February 24, 1986.

5. Finklehor, D., Child Sexual Abuse: New Theory and Practice. New
ork:
Free Press, 1984. Russell, D., Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child
Sexual Abuse
and Workplace Harassment. Beverley Hills: Sage, 1984.

6. Check, J., N. Malamuth, "Pornography and Sexual Aggression: A
Social
Learning Analysis," in M.L. McLaughlin (Ed.), Communication Yearbook,
Volume
9. Beverly Hill: Sage, 1985. See also: Donnerstein, E.,
"Pornography: Its
Effects on Violence Against Women," in N. Malamuth and E. Donnerstein
(Eds.),
Pornography and Sexual Aggression. New York: Academic Press, 1984,
and
Malamuth, N., "Aggression Against Women: Cultural and Individual
Cases," in
N. Malamuth and E. Donnerstein (Eds.), Pornography and Sexual
Aggression. New
York: Academic Press, 1984.

7. Malamuth, N., "Do Sexually Violent Media Indirectly Contribute to
Antisocial Behaviour?" Unpublished paper prepared for the Surgeon
General's
Workshop on Pornography and Public Health, Arlington, Virginia, 1986.

8. Russell, D., Sexual Exploitation: Rape, Child Sexual Abuse and
Workplace
Harassment, 1984.

9. Donnerstein, E., and D. Linz, Unpublished paper prepared for the
Attorney
General's Commission on Pornography Hearings, Houston, Texas, 1985.

10. See: Check, J., and N. Malamuth, "Can There Be Positive Effects
of
Participation in Pornography Experiments?," Journal of Sex Research,
20,
1984, pp. 14-31, and Donnerstein, E., and L. Berkovitz, "Victims'
Reactions in
Aggressive Erotic Films as a Factor in Violence Against Women,"
Journal of
Personality and Social Psychology, 41, 1981, pp. 710-724, and
Malamuth, N.,
and J. Check, " Debriefing Effectiveness Following Exposure to
Pornographic
Rape Depictions, " Journal of Sex Research, 20, 1984, pp. 1-13.

Further Reading

Ontario Women's Directorate, Annotated Bibliography on Sexual Assault
Literature. Toronto, July 1990.

Russell, D., "Pornography and Rape: A Causal Model," Political
Psychology,
Vol. 9, No.1, 1988, pp. 41-73.

Cole, S., Pornography and the Sex Crisis. Toronto: Amanita Press,
1989.

its amazing you can pack so much **** in 1 post. why is there no
research into what people that are not convicted molesters or abusers
do with the same material? would it spoil their research?