On 28 Nov 2003 07:11:00 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Kane wrote
It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case,
I'd recommend immediate arrest and a death
penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you
can milk the state, much more than you are
currently milking the mother.
Thank you for the opportunity to outline your
well intentioned reasoning. 
So you married the mother, got a job, apologized to the court for your
outrageously stupid "motion," retracted your offer to have the state
pay you to conduct a proper spanking training for classes of alledged
child abusers, moved your crap out into storage that you pay for, and
followed the simple but proven effective guidelines Dan offers to help
families prevail against CPS, and the child is back in the loving arms
of her mother, with your crap moved out of her room, and you no longer
are so focused on shower room attendant activities.
I see.
You're a psycho, Kane.
Never moved in on a mother and daughter, displaced the child's
possessions with my own, played watersports with the naked child,
written Motions to the Court that consisted of raving accusatory
demanding babble, or sat on my ass for 2+ years while building a can
and bottle refund empire because I have to provide child for a child
gone for 2.5 years or so.
I must be a psycho then.
You play your little posturing game like some
16 year old trying to prove how great he is.
See above.
And the following, for a real definition of a posturing asshole
psycho:
http://tinyurl.com/wwvd
"I did use my hands to push her head under
a shower spray to rinse shampoo out."
Then said by neither a parent or foster parent:
"Parents and more interestingly, Foster Parents
do this sort of thing all the time and it does
not raise a fuss. It is legal."
this from one of the 14 attempts by you at
http://tinyurl.com/wwvq
to try and weasel your way out of what you did, bringing up things
like women washing little boys "dingies" (what a juvenile mind you
have...it's "penis" not the childish "dingie. You talk like a pervert,
not a grown man"), and constantly by your stupidity reminding any
reader that you aren't a mother, father, or certified foster parent,
and you even described yourself as "wannabee step parent" as an excuse
for the child being forced to be naked with you.
You still refuse to admit that you had no business alone with a 7 year
old female (from your posts) forcing her with your hands on her to
"rinse shampoo out of her hair."
And I'm the psycho, eh?
Argue like crazy about why parents should not
spank, as if that wasn't a clue as to your
age right there. Vent your anger.
Are you suggesting that those people who argue against spanking and
for gentle parenting are psycho's? In what way is this mentally ill?
As for my anger, you haven't seen me do that yet up close. Lucky
little pimple.
Argue about every little slight that could
happen to a child,
In my posts to you, in fact to the world, where I discuss children I
have come nowhere near arguing every little slight that can happen to
a child. I have, with you, stuck exactly to what you yourself admitted
to:
Displacement, your crap stored in her room, towelboying,
shampoogirling, punishing for euranesis, cold showering, spanking,
sabotaging the mother in the training setting, as well as in the
courtroom....all, asshole, by feeding you back the crap you offered up
to this ng without your whining ingenuous sick excuses.
pretend you aren't projecting.
Out of the list I just supplied, or one you think YOU can provide,
please point out which, or any offenses, you think I have done that I
projected on YOU or that you haven't done.
But you get so rabid that you act and behave
like a perfect poster child to justify spanking.
So if a child dislikes what you have done to a child and tells you
they are now candidates for spanking?
As for that justifiable spanking you think I deserve, pick a spot.
I'll be happy to drop by and see if you can follow up. Bring a friend
or to. You will need them, ass on couch lazy slug.
And you engage in the very kind of behavior
that you complain about in others.
I have not done a single thing on that list of offenses against a
child and mother that you have confessed to.
So, asshole, which of my behaviors of others that I complain about
have I engaged in? Be very careful and think, as you will never find
me admonishing anyone for cursing, name calling, or expressing their
honest opinion even when I disagree with them heartily.
I tell them what I don't like, but I don't complain that they have
said it.
Your RAGE is exactly what causes problems when
people spank and go too far.
Show me a human being that is not angry and even enraged from time to
time and I'll show you someone that MIGHT not go too far in spanking.
You try to pretend that you are so principled and
reasonable, but you just can't help your true nature.
Empty nonsense. I am very principled. It's the basis for your
complaint of how I treat your viciousness toward child and mother.
It's your very problem with me.
You are a flying off the handle psycho, Kane.
What's a "handle psycho" and what does flying off it entail...calling
you the names you so richly deserve? Pointing out to you, when you
start pretending you have a right to count yourself among normal
decent human beings, that you are a lowlife scum child abusing gigolo?
You lack even enough discipline to have any
sort of reasoned discussion.
No discussion I've even seen you have with any reasoned person has
resulted in YOU maintaining a reasoned response.
You inevitably drift off to your "I'm a victim" whining, attempting to
enlist them, no matter what problem of their own they bring for help,
to YOUR little asshole dog and pony show.
THAT, asshole, is a grand example of lack of self discipline.
You basically would not EXIST if not for
your CRUSADE.
And what would you say my "CRUSADE" might be?
It's easy to accuse, hard to be credible when you don't really define
what you are assusing someone of.
With you I try to remember to list at least a few of your offenses
each time I post to you. I think I am very clear in my accusations. Or
would you like to continue helping me tune them up even more? Keep
posting.
It is your identity.
Redefining me by your standards is something of chuckle, considering
your standards.
You are nothing else.
Silly nonsensical obstreporous spouting by an insignificant little
twit child abuser.
I am not impressed.
You get so rabid that any nitwit can see that
you would be throwing some sort of physical
temper tantrum if you were in person.
Odd. I've never thrown a physical temper tantrum in my life. I don't
need to.
You have your little tantrums here on a daily basis, attempting to
excuse your behavior toward the child and her mother.
My strongly expressed complaints about you have not caused you the
least harm or anyone else while your confessed actions very clearly
have caused harm to mother and child, and your attempt to preempt
visitors to the ng to your cause detracts from their own need for
help.
You are the tantrumming little self absorbed prick here, Greegor.
Swearing profusely long term does kind of
reveal something about you.
What? That I enjoy varied and famous company of great men and women
who also swore or do now? **** yourself, dummy.
On 28 Nov 2003 07:11:00 -0800,
(Greg Hanson)
wrote:
Kane wrote
It isn't up to me. But in YOUR particular case,
I'd recommend immediate arrest and a death
penalty trial. You destroyed a family for
your greed and laziness. And the chance you
can milk the state, much more than you are
currently milking the mother.
Thank you for the opportunity to outline your
well intentioned reasoning.
So you married the mother, got a job, apologized to the court for your
outrageously stupid "motion," retracted your offer to have the state
pay to you to conduct a proper spanking training for classes of
alledged child abusers, and followed the simple but proven effective
guidelines Dan offers to help families prevail against CPS, and the
child is back in the loving arms of her mother, with your crap moved
out of her room, and you no longer intent on showerroom attendant
activities.
I see.
You're a psycho, Kane.
Never moved in on a mother and daughter, displaced the child's
possessions with my own, played watersports with the naked child,
written Motions to the Court that consisted of raving accusatory
demanding babble, or sat on my ass for 2+ years while building a can
and bottle refund empire.
I must be a psycho then.
You play your little posturing game like some
16 year old trying to prove how great he is.
See above.
And the following, for a real definition of a posturing asshole
psycho:
http://tinyurl.com/wwvd
"I did use my hands to push her head under
a shower spray to rinse shampoo out."
Then said by neither a parent or foster parent.
"Parents and more interestingly, Foster Parents
do this sort of thing all the time and it does
not raise a fuss. It is legal."
this from one of the 14 attempts by you at
http://tinyurl.com/wwvq
to try and weasel your way out of what you did, bringing up things
like women washing little boys "dingies" (what a juvenile mind you
have...it's "penis" not the childish term "dingie."), and constantly
by your stupidity reminding any reader that you aren't a mother,
father, or certified foster parent, and you even used the term to
describe yourself as "wannabee step parent" and you still refuse to
admit that you had no business alone with a 7 year old female (from
your posts) forcing her with your hands on her to "rinse shampoo out
of her hair."
And I'm the psycho, eh?
Argue like crazy about why parents should not
spank, as if that wasn't a clue as to your
age right there. Vent your anger.
Are you suggesting that those people who argue against spanking and
for gentle parenting are psycho's?
As for my anger, you haven't seen me do that yet.
Argue about every little slight that could
happen to a child,
In my posts to you, in fact to the world, where I discuss children I
have come nowhere near arguing every little slight that can happen to
a child. I have, with you, stuck exactly to what you yourself admitted
to:
Displacement, your crap stored in her room, towboying, shampoogirling,
punishing for euranesis, cold shower, spanking, sabotaging the mother
in the training setting, as well as in the courtroom....all, asshole,
by feeding you back the crap you offered up to this ng without your
whining ingenuous sick excuses.
pretend you aren't projecting.
Out of list I just supplied, or one you think YOU can provide, please
point out which, or any offenses, you think I hae done that I
projected on YOU.
But you get so rabid that you act and behave
like a perfect poster child to justify spanking.
So if a child dislikes what you have done to a child and tells you
they are now candidates for spanking?
Pick a spot. I'll be happy to drop by and see if you can follow up.
And you engage in the very kind of behavior
that you complain about in others.
I have not done a single thing on that list of offenses against a
child and mother that you have confessed to.
So, asshole, which of my behaviors of others that I complain about
have I engaged in? Be very careful and think, as you will never find
me admonishing anyone for cursing, name calling, or expressing their
honest opinion even when I disagree with them heartily.
I tell them what I don't like, but I don't complain that they have
said it.
Your RAGE is exactly what causes problems when
people spank and go too far.
Show me a human being that is not angry and even enraged from time to
time and I'll show you someone that MIGHT not go too far in spanking.
You try to pretend that you are so principled and
reasonable, but you just can't help your true nature.
Empty nonsense. I am very principled. It's the basis for your
complaint of how I treat your viciousness toward child and mother.
It's your problem with me.
You are a flying off the handle psycho, Kane.
What's a "handle psycho" and what does flying off it entail...calling
you the names you so richly deserve? Pointing out to you, when you
start pretending you have a right to count yourself among normal
decent human beings, that you are a child abusing gigolo?
You lack even enough discipline to have any
sort of reasoned discussion.
No discussion I've even seen you have with any reasoned person has
resulted in YOU maintaining a reasoned response. You inevitably drift
off to your "I'm a victim" diatribe attempting to enlist them, no
matter what problem of their own they bring for help with, to YOUR
little asshole dog and pony show.
You basically would not EXIST if not for
your CRUSADE.
And what would you say my "CRUSADE" might be?
It's easy to accuse, hard to be credible when you don't really define
what you are assusing someone of.
With you I try to remember to list at least a few of your offenses
each time I post to you.
It is your identity.
Redefining me by your standards is something of chuckle, considering
your standards.
You are nothing else.
Silly nonsensical obstreporous spouting by an insignificant little
twit child abuser. I am not impressed.
You get so rabid that any nitwit can see that
you would be throwing some sort of physical
temper tantrum if you were in person.
Odd. I've never thrown a physical temper tantrum in my life. I don't
need to.
You have your little tantrums here on a daily basis, attempting to
excuse your behavior toward the child and her mother.
My strongly expressed complaints by you have not caused you the least
harm or anyone else while your confessed actions very clearly have
caused harm to mother and child, and your attempt to preempt visitors
to the ng to your cause detracts from their own need for help.
You are the tantrumming little self absorbed prick here, Greegor.
Swearing profusely long term does kind of
reveal something about you.
What? That I enjoy varied and famous company of great men and women
who also swore or do now? **** yourself, dummy.
Swearing isn't a sign of anything particular....actions ARE.
You are the purveyor of obscenity, Greegor the Whore. The fact that
child isn't home, and the mother can't decide between you, is the
obscenity.
The other obscenity is your misdirecting of visitors here, to their
possible harm.
As I've said, you LACK IMPULSE CONTROL.
Not in the least. I don't make a living collecting bottles and cans.
Nor to I displace children from their home and mother. Nor do I steer
parents in trouble with CPS to the means to insure they lose.
You act just like lots of sniveling teen punks
that I have seen, ready to "throw down" on a whim.
The declarations by you then should constitute insufficient grounds
for indignation by others who read them.
Click -
http://tinyurl.com/wwy7
on a motion to destroy any chance of a mother getting her child
returned from CPS.
Do you think I'm the only person here to '"throw down" on a whim' over
such things as the above?
By the way, if you met me you would never mistake me for a sniveling
teen punk, nor is my language here that of one. You, on the other
hand, the everylasting victim who puts a child and mother at risk for
his convenience and the hope he can convince her to sue the state has
far more to do with punkdom and sniveling.
You are full of misplaced anger. That's a pathology.
Funny. I am not punishing children for anything, let along lack of
perfect control of body functions. Now exactly who, between us,
appears most full of misplaced anger an pathology again?
You are a LIAR,
You are lying. I do not.
a BRAGGART,
So those that have lived a fuller life than you, have many rich and
rewarding experiences, can make things happen, can build, create,
contribute, are braggarts, eh?
And you are a child and family saving parental advocate of great skill
and ability.
Now, you just caught me in a lie. Feel better?
and a major BS artist.
I am very good at self expression. You are very good at burying
yourself deeper and deeper everytime you take hand to keyboard, and my
skill as a "major BS artist" is what provides you with the ample help
you need to move toward greater honesty in your dealings.
You are welcome.
You are a pervert,
Which of my revelations about myself here are indicative of perversion
on my part?
You call human body parts, perfectly seriously, by childish names. You
think spanking children should be taught and you are the one to do it,
that children should be "disciplined" for common mistakes on demeanor
and bladder control failure. And "I'm" the pervert, eh?
pointing at someone and
calling them a pervert. You are a liar, pointing
at someone and calling them a liar.
I lied when I called you a liar?
I invite you to read your own posts where your story, more especially
your declared motivations and intent retains the elasticity of warm
taffy.
I also called you stupid and a whore and a gigolo. Which shows me to
be lying?
Do you have a job? Do you contribute to the household in equal
proportions to the other resident? If so in what manner?
Do you write motions to the court for your "SO," who was until
recently your "fiance?"
Have you invited your "SO" formerly "Fiance" to this ng to defend
herself and you as I invited you to? If not, why not?
Why have you not changed your employment profile (R R R R) when your
living situation changed that was the reason for you to be at home,
taking care of the child?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of NAMBLA, and no, you may
not take the Fifth....R R R R
As a ""grand inquisitor"" you are laughable.
You seem completely unable to let go of our exchanges.
Does that thought make you laugh?
You've never met me in person, pimple.
Kane
Swearing isn't a sign of anything particular....actions ARE.
You are the purveyor of obscenity, Greegor the Whore. The fact that
child isn't home, and the mother can't decide between you, is the
obscenity.
The other obscenity is your misdirecting of visitors here, to their
possible harm.
As I've said, you LACK IMPULSE CONTROL.
Not in the least. I don't make a living collecting bottles and cans.
Nor to I displace children from their home and mother. Nor do I steer
parents in trouble with CPS to the means to insure they lose.
You act just like lots of sniveling teen punks
that I have seen, ready to "throw down" on a whim.
The declarations by you then should constitute insufficient grounds
for indignation by others who read them.
Click -
http://tinyurl.com/wwy7
on a motion to destroy any chance of a mother getting her child
returned from CPS.
Do you think I'm the only person here to '"throw down" on a whim' over
such things as the above?
By the way, if you met me you would never mistake me for a sniveling
teen punk, nor is my language here that of one. You, on the other
hand, the everylasting victim who puts a child and mother at risk for
his convenience and the hope he can convince her to sue the state has
far more to do with punkdom and sniveling.
You are full of misplaced anger. That's a pathology.
Funny. I am not punishing children for anything, let along lack of
perfect control of body functions. Now exactly who, between us,
appears most full of misplaced anger an pathology again?
You are a LIAR,
You are lying. I do not.
a BRAGGART,
So those that have lived a fuller life than you, have many rich and
rewarding experiences, can make things happen, can build, create,
contribute, are braggarts, eh?
And you are a child and family saving parental advocate of great skill
and ability.
Now, you just caught me in a lie. Feel better?
and a major BS artist.
I am very good a self expression. You are very good at burying
yourself deep and deep everytime you take hand to keyboard, and my
skill as a "major BS artist" is what provides you with the ample help
you need to move toward greater honesty in your dealings.
You are welcome.
You are a pervert,
Which of my revelations about myself here are indicative of perversion
on my part?
You call human body parts, perfectly seriously, by childish names. You
think spanking children should be taught and you are the one to do it,
that children should be "disciplined" for common mistakes on demeanor
and bladder control failure. And "I'm" the pervert, eh?
pointing at someone and
calling them a pervert. You are a liar, pointing
at someone and calling them a liar.
I lied when I called you a liar?
I invite you to read your own posts where your story, more especially
your declared motivations and intent retains the elasticity of warm
taffy.
I also called you stupid and a whore and a gigolo. Which shows me to
be lying?
Do you have a job? Do you contribute to the household in equal
proportions to the other resident? If so in what manner?
Do you write motions to the court for your "SO," who was until
recently your "fiance?"
Have you invited your "SO" formerly "Fiance" to this ng to defend
herself and you as I invited you to? If not, why not?
Why have you not changed your employment profile (R R R R) when your
living situation changed that was the reason for you to be at home,
taking care of the child?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of NAMBLA, and no, you may
not take the Fifth....R R R R
As a ""grand inquisitor"" you are laughable.
You seem completely unable to let go of our exchanges.
Does that thought make you laugh?
You've never met me in person, pimple.
Kane