Let us consider the the claim, presuming they are about logic, and we
advocates against spanking are not 0:-, that it's logical to use
spanking with a child while of course our comparison to an adult being
assaulted by the exactly same actions against them.

Looks good, doesn't it?

I mean children ARE different aren't they?

A five year old child does not know what an adult does, and cannot
process any reasoning reliably that would allow them to know exactly and
precisely WHY we will not let them smack their baby sister.

So aversive training through pain, a spanking, seems to make perfectly
good sense, doesn't it?

I did a short bit of work with developmentally disabled people.

They exhibit, some, the same characteristics. They might lack cause and
effect reasoning, and have limited or not capacity for abstract thought.
Some are so catastrophically disabled that they can barely function to
take care of their simplest needs, even feeding themselves is a
difficult undertaking for them.

So, if they "smack their little sister" would it not be logical to
spanking them, or use CP on them to teach them better?

Logical or not, it's against the law.

And it is NOT logical to teach them that way, or a child that way,
because it will produce the same range of unwanted results.

The person will stop learning. They will start doing bizarre things,
mostly unwanted behaviors.

What's even more though provoking is that the disabled person, say at a
5 year old level of understanding most likely will never progress beyond
that stage, show shouldn't aversive conditioning be a natural way to
teach them to avoid certain behaviors? Like hit them for doing what you
do not want them to do..give them pain?

Yet the child, that DOES have the potential for learning at an abstract
and cause and effect level it's okay to hit?

Strange, Doan. You people are very strange indeed.

And the law is coming for you all. You will not be able to happily say,
in your lying way, "let them make up their own mind," because you and
others have forced the issue by not controlling yourselves, and there
will have to be a law.

You would NOT establish a line of demarcation. You would NOT speak out
against those "spankers" that in fact beat. You would not confront those
that in their sick illogical way advocated for beatings and called them
'parent rights.'

You, Doan, and all like you that do NOT speak up, have made mild
spankings now impossible. It's just a matter of time. I had hopes you
were intelligent enough, you and others like you, to wake up, and put
the brakes on those that went so far out of bounds.

But no, it's just, "let them make up their own mind."

You have MORE responsibility for the coming laws that will NOT allow
them to make up their own mind any more than even the ones that beat.

Possibly you are really from the anti spanking side and have been here
for years creating the very conditions that would topple any spanking at
all, one side of the line or the other.

What an interesting logical puzzle that is, eh?

Kane