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**elizabeth**

wrote:
Oh I understand your point of view better now. You are a radical
feminist, correct?

No, I'm a Jungian.

"most powerful goddesses in classical mythology"

Athena, Artemis, Hecate, and most of all, Hestia, never had offspring.

Well, sweetheart you just called you goddess mythological.....so don't
you think its kinda' immature to have faith in a false idol, like
flying reindeer?

I believe in archetypes.

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Let's talk about your archetype, Demeter, the original SmotherMother.
When her daughter, Persephone, ran off with Hades to become Queen of
the Underworld, Demeter tossed the mother of all hissyfits. She
refused to let anything grow, so all of the creatures on the planet,
including us mortals, were dying of starvation. She felt that since
she lost her daughter, the entire world should die along side her ...
all of the God/desses tried to make her lighten up and not mandate
universal starvation, and Persephone came up with a compromise, where
she's spend half her time with Mother and half with her husband, Hades.

That's what I dislike most about mothers, especially today, when you
choose it. You seem to think that your pain, your choice, means that
the rest of us have to pay for your choice, have to put up with the
failures of your childrearing methods, all at a time when the earth is
so overpopulated that we're killing off not only our species, but
thousands of other species as well.

Many women seek to find some sort of personal justification by having
children, but that's not rational. If your life is so meaningless that
you have to breed a dependant child to have any sort of function, you
are just the sort of person whose offspring is not needed. If the only
way you can find someone to love you is to breed a child, than you have
some issues that should be dealt with, instead of trying to ignore your
issues by breeding a child, so you can claim to have some sort of
function in the world.

See if you can locate a book called _The Mother Person_ which was
written in the early 1970s. It's not like women haven't known that
breeding for a life career isn't empty and ultimately unfulfilling.
Did Marilyn French write in vain?