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I do? I forget if I mentioned the size in the ng. text attachment wouldn't be very large.

You did :-) http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...g.goog le.com

The arguement that amuses me the most is the one that says, "because
the world is that way and the child must learn that."

Has anybody actually told you THAT? It's sick.

Basically I don't find punishment of any kind very useful. At least
not deliberately applied punishment. Children know the difference
between intended harm and natural human reactions.

So you agree with DoDson when he says it's ok if you loose control
once in a while?

The former confuses and frightens them,

And seriously mines their initiative and self-esteem, and their sense
of security.

Who do you think you learned the most important lessons from?

Mom.

Well, not according to the spankers that have come here to "debate."

Although just when they claim that they have to "teach" children they
describe some motive of the child they must curb that children cannot
have enough knowledge or development to even have such a motive.

I guess they don't even try to *know* their children. Maybe they
forget children are persons, too.

They don't mind doing that. They seem to think that pain is a great
teacher...forgetting that life has ample random exposure to pain for
we humans to suffice for all the lessons pain can teach.

Pain in the form of corporal punishment is an inhibitor, not a
teacher.

Alina, on the off chance that I'm being scammed, a common occurance
when folks try to debate honestly with Doan, (he thinks "play" is
debate apparently) I request you ask him for the study.

If he will email it to you I have two simple questions I'd like to ask
that will establish if it is the same study I have, or simply some
commentary by others, or even just a summary by Embry.

Would you be willing to do that?

I don't want to be rude, but I am not interested in your ongoing
online argument with Doan, or to scam either of you two.
I have, however, asked him for that study. It is ME that is taking
long now, because he has asked that I send an envelope so he can snail
mail it back. Baby is still a little sick so I have not gone out or
done much.
If it helps you in any way, yes, I will let you know when I have it.

Thanks in advance.

No problem.

If it turns out to not be the study, or after a reasonable time he
doesn't provide anything, I'll be happy then to supply you with the
one I have...the complete study report on outcomes and methodology.

Thanks. I hope it will not be necessary.

Best regards,

Alina.