Kane writes:

Now on to the lies that The Plant, yet another of the lying pack of
Douggie's hyenas, tries to foist about kinship care. Kane

Begin Fern5827's remarks, and mine following intersperced:

Begin Fern5827's remarks, Kane replies, and my responses:

Odd, I see figures only as low as 24% and up to 50% or more, going to
relatives for foster care and adoption.

In 2001, the average was 24% -- suggesting that there must be some states
reporting in with less that the mean and some reporting more.

Fern:

As it stands today, fewer than 27% of children supposedly abused or
neglected
are placed with kin or blood relatives.

R R R R ..... careful exiting your car. ..you'll stab someone with
that proboscis.

You recently posted something very different about LA county. And I
know you cannot provide proof of your 27% claim.

The basis of you doubting Fern's current figure may be your assumption that
the percentage of foster children in kinship care is increasing. Let's
stick to USDHHS statistics to double check Fern's figures.

Kane:

Let's look at the post and today...and compare not only the past
figures...but the trend to today......starting 6, that's 6 YEARS
AGO....

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/kinr2c00/

I went to this URL. This report was published and submitted to Congress in
2000 -- four years ago. It does not reflect the trend TODAY.

"The Extent to Which Children in Foster Care Are Placed with Relatives

In 1998, approximately 2.13 million children in the United States, or
just under 3 percent, were living in some type of kinship care
arrangement. In 1997, approximately 200,000 children were in public
kinship care, well below 1 percent of all U.S. children but 29 percent
of all foster children. Available evidence suggests that public
kinship care has increased substantially during the late 1980s and
1990s (see Chapter 1).

(gee, Geranium, it wasn't as low as 27% even 6 years ago)

A year later, in 1999, only 26% of foster children were in kinship care.
That is lower than 27%, even 5 years ago.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...s/june2001.htm

In 2001, three years ago, only 24% of foster children were in kinship care.
That is lower than 27%, even three years ago ago. And lower than in 1999,
when it was 26%.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...rs/report8.htm

Oh, and in 2000 -- the year in between? Well, 25% of foster children were
in the care of kin during that year. That's lower than 27%, even 5 years
ago.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...rs/apr2001.htm

Your source claims 29% of foster children were in kinship care in 1998. To
get an idea of trends, let's look at a breakdown of the years we have
covered. These are the percentages of foster children in kinship care
nationwide.

1998 29%
1999 26%
2000 25%
2001 24%

Three main factors have contributed to this growth. First, the number
of non-kin foster parents has not kept pace with the number of
children requiring placement, creating a greater demand for foster
caregivers. Second, child welfare agencies have developed a more
positive attitude toward the use of kin as foster parents. Today,
extended family members are usually given first priority when children
require placement. Third, a number of Federal and State court rulings
have recognized the rights of relatives to act as foster parents and
to be compensated financially for doing so. "

Notice what it says about "Today?"
(don'tcha just hate it when I do that? R R R R R R E E E E E E O O O O
O R R R ....but you just keep posting lies without checking
first.....)

That was from:

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
Administration for Children and Families
Administration on Children, Youth and Families
Children's Bureau

June 2000

This report is available on the Internet at:
http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/kinr2c00/index.htm

And that was 2,000....probably reporting numbers collected from
1999...and today it's 2004, and the placements with kin have gone
up....so what have we here.....a stupid igorant Cacti, or a liar?

No, the report clearly states in the paragraph you cut and pasted that it is
talking about 1998. In 1999, it was 26%. In 2000, 25%. In 2001, 24%.
What source of information do you draw upon to conclude that placements with
kin have gone up?

I vote for both...but then you are a protege of Douggie the
Magnificant Liar.

Well, what basis do you have for your vote? The USDHHS data supports Fern's
estimate -- in fact, the AFCARS data report lesser percentages that 27% for
1999, 2000, and 2001. This evidence contradicts your contention that Fern
is "lying."

There is no evidence of your claim that the trend of kinship care is an
increase. You provide no evidence of current kinship care numbers. In
fact, all you did provide was 1998 data and the percentage of foster
children in kinship care decreased after that during 1999 -- 2001.

Have a cool evening.

Doug