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Old June 26th 03, 09:07 AM
Father Drew
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Default Where are all the pro- "child support" (backdoor alimony) folks?

I agree with the Teach. You don't lose because you stand up, you lose more
if you don't. Sure, the courts would like it if you didn't show, it makes
the paperwork easier to process. The fact is, you will always be better off
if you show up and fight. Maybe not always, but you improve your odds
greatly. I have yet to hear about a father getting jailed because he went
to court to stand up for himself. I know things are unfair, but unless you
have evidence of this, I wouldn't spout bold mis-information, because the
Father's Movement needs to play on a higher level than N.O.W. in order to
keep our credibility.

-Drew

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Indyguy1 wrote:

Dave wrote:

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But why do men fail to organize and protest?

I have a theory on this. It's because of the way so many have been

raised.
Women have traditionally been the organizers in families. They see

to
it
that
the vacations, Dr. appts, home repairs, etc. are booked, the family

events are
attended, etc. Boys grow into men that have seen their mothes be the

organizers
and then marry women who continue the pattern.

The best way to stop this is for parents to stop raising boys to

expect
this of
women and stop raising girls to accept this as their solo role as

women.
Do it
by example and in word.

I'm doing my share.

Mrs Indyguy


I have some theories too, and they're very different from Mrs.
Indyguy's. I think that very few men are willing to come out and

openly
stand up for the interests of men, in situations where those interests
are entirely the opposite of women -- as is the case in most domestic
relations matters.


Bear in mind too that men who fight the system are subject to the very

real
threat of jail time as well as losing their worldly possessions just

because
they are standing up to the system. Women, on the other hand, at the

very
worst would simply be told to just "shut the f___ up". Not much to lose
there.


Why do you say that? Why would they go to jail or lose their worldly
possessions because they protested against the system? Now, if their
protest was in the form of refusing to pay child support, then I can see
where that might be true. But organizing and picketing, etc--why would

that
merit jail time? And if women were out there picketing with them, why do
you think the women would get different treatment? Do you have any

examples
of this happening?




There are several elements in this reluctance of men to openly oppose
women. One is old-fashioned chivalry, which (despite all the changes

in
society) remains an important factor. Another is that, to put it
bluntly, heterosexual men are usually on the lookout for women as

sexual
partners, and they realize that appearing hostile to the interests of
women will not help them in that regard. Still another is that men

are
more individualistic than women, and have a greater tendency to be
self-reliant.

In my opinion, the first step to changing the situation is for men to
understand that there ARE scenarios where their interests are totally
the opposite of women, and where there is a zero-sum game in

operation.
In short, we must have an end to the situation where, in the battle of
the sexes, only one side shows up. Balance will not be restored, and
the two sexes will not achieve a fairer equilibrium, without an

interim
period of men taking back what has been stolen from them by feminism.