"Peter Bowditch" wrote:
Mark wrote:
On Jan 8, 12:09 am, Peter Bowditch wrote:
State's autism rises despite vaccine change
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And where do we go from here?
Which is the way that's clear?
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Peter Bowditch
It's clear you posted copyrighted material.
It's clear you pulled in the ILK GANG.
Oh, and you might want to go to the below...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....61a29afcb9cf0f
The Internet is free territory. Anyone with a server and a passable
command of the English language can put up a shingle and say any
****ing thing they want to. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE You Dumbass!!!
However, there are still people who would rather believe "Joe's
Website" than an in-person individual who has studied this **** ad
nauseum and might -- just might -- know a little bit about it.
Sorry for the rant.
Mark, MD
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....51cf7adfcae0bd
Bull****. Find proof, or **** off, Mr. "personal physcian".
Treating neonatal Hep B infection with Hep B vaccine and HBIVIG goes a
LONG way toward heading off lifelong Hepatitis B carrier state and a
good chance of developing liver cancer at a young age. Since they
have no insurance, guess who would be stuck footing the bill for THAT
treatment, JG and Roger?
This "young couple" knows diddly-**** about hepatitis, its treatment,
or the financial and medical consequences if it is left untreated.
If your libertarianism (no capital "L") extends to denying medical
coverage to morons, I retract my statements.
Mark, MD
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....8f9235e4121fa7
Eat **** and die, you stupid ****ing bigot.
Mark, MD
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Subject: The Flu vaccine is worthless and damaging
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Shut the **** up, you ignorant ****.
From: Mark )
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You're a ****.
From: Mark Probert )
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see above for thick **** of the year
From: TaskForce 20 )
Subject: Every healthy person is sick, but does not know it yet
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What ever happened to the **** called Bubba?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....68b54f717b79ff
Grow the **** up, Debbee.
Mark, MD
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"Karuna" writes:
Shock! Shame! Horror! ... It is called discussion. I had this rather
wierdo idea that mha was kind of a discussion group.
It cannot be a useful discussion group when participants deliberately set
out
to deceive and remain unchallenged.
The point of the Ben Kolb item, which was an article about the Dateline TV
programme, was not an attack on the doctors involved in the Ben Kolb case,
but
a discussion of the problem in getting safety information to doctors.
The point was made that airlines have well defined procedures for this. CM
does not.
The doctors involved in the case gave a presentation explaining what went
wrong, but a check on hospitals made by the Dateline researchers revealed
that
the 'procedure' that led to the death was still being carried out.
Seems perfectly simple doesn't it.
But Jan was accused of using the Ben Kolb case to divert attention.
You have seen Peter B's statement which is a deliberate attempt to deceive.
He may well know someone, somewhere who has used the Ben Kolb case to
'divert',
but Jan did not and no-one else here has done so.
Jan challenged Peter as having lied about this and whenever she sees another
'lie' from Peter, lists the lies he made about her, including the Ben Kolb
case, which he has not withdrawn.
Again, this is not an attempt to divert, but a challenge to a 'liar' who
repeats his 'lies' to deceive other posters.
He seems to have deceived you.
The other challenge to Jan's original post was that this was not a
'procedure'
in medical terms so the entire article must be incompetent and not worth
reading. But the article was a heavily edited transcript of the TV
programme,
and that programme has not been challenged.
It was also claimed that the participants did not say the things the article
suggested, because their words were not included in inverted commas. But
again this was a transcript of a TV programme which Jan watched and the
participants said those things on the programme.
All Jan has going for her is passion. Her opponents are often very clever
deceivers, their statements may be factually accurate, but they are not 'the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth' and their intention is to
mislead. Their attitude seems to be that the ends, discrediting AM,
justify
the means.
And it works.
Jan's 'line' is often distorted and she does get the 'wrong end of the
stick'
sometimes, and if you jump into the middle of a thread, it is so easy to
assume
that the other side is the voice of reason rather than deliberate deception,
particularly when other posters, who have been already deceived, join in and
miss the point.
Best wishes
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John Bain
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Peter Bowditch writes:
For those who came in late, I was accused of lying for pointing out to
Jan that words have meanings and that the word "procedure" has a
meaning in a medical context. The procedure that was to be performed
on Ben Kolb had been done thousands of times before and has been done
many times since. The practice of inadequate labelling which led to
his death is something which several doctors and nurses said that they
had never seen. When some television reporter got confused about the
words "procedure" and "practice" and asked someone if the "procedure"
was still used, that person said "yes". Cutting off the wrong leg,
that old favourite of anti-medicine people, calls into question the
practice of documenting which leg to cut off but does not in any way
invalidate the surgical procedure of amputation.
No Peter, you were accused of deliberate wordplay to deny the conclusions of
the programme.
Whether the reporter used the words procedure or practice is quite
irrelevant,
the programme made it quite clear what the problem was.
Remember this
Lying topic titles
From: J BainSI
To: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28/02/2002
Peter Bowditch writes:
Yet again I am accused of lying by "twisting" the Ben Kolb story.
Here, once again, are my comments about this tragedy.
1) That Ben Kolb died is a tragedy. He died because of a mistake
arising from a dangerous practice of decanting chemicals into unmarked
containers.
Quite correct, but nothing to do with the issue. The point is that there
is
no procedure in place to ensure that this does not happen again. The
particular hospital involved has instituted procedures, but experts have
said
that this procedure is still being carried out in other hospitals. It is
unlikely to change until a similar accident happens at those other
hospitals.
Or Mark P is called in to point out the error of their waysg
That is the point. CM does not learn by it's mistakes, only individual
practitioners do.
The point was made that the airline business is tightly regulated so that
this
type of accident is not repeated. No such system exists in CM or AM. But
let's put CM's house in order first.
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
All irrelevant to the point of the article.
I am still waiting for jan to succinctly state where I "lied", without
discussing semantics. I am also still waiting for a simple "yes" or
"no" answer to the question of whether she believes that Tim Bolen
tells lies.
I believe that Tim 'tells lies', just as I believe you 'tell lies'
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is required here.
You deliberately omitted the point of the article above in an attempt to
deceive your readers.
You succeeded with one of the Marks.
Do you not consider deliberate deception as lying?
Or is it OK if it bolsters your beliefs and helps persuade others that your
beliefs are the True Beliefs?
So, I would put you and Tim in the same category.
That makes you a 'liar'.
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Best wishes
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John Bain
UK TV Sound Director, magnotherapy user & distributor
http://members.aol.com/JBainSI/Magnotherapy.html
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Oh my ****in' God...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...10f79e6c60165e
Jan 2 2002
I hope Yurko is repeatedly and violently raped in prison, over and
over, on many, many occasions until he dies of blood loss from a
shredded rectum.
I mean it. To do what he did to that baby is just about the most
despicable thing I can imagine, and I hope he suffers hell on earth
until he screams for the mercy of death. And then I hope he doesn't
get the death he craves until Satan has prepared a nice hot place for
him to spend the rest of eternity.
Those who defend him should get the cell next door.
Mark, MD
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Will you two just stop, please?
Mark, Jan Drew is just a wee bit retarded, so it makes you look bad to
keep picking on her.
Jan...you...aren't...that...smart..so...you...shou ld...just...go...back...t*o...those...special...cl asses.
I'm a little tired of MHA being turned into the "Jan 'n' Mark Show".
Yes, Jan is an abhorrhent bigot. And Mark Probert is...ummmmm..a
thoughtful Jew with a functioning sense of logic?
In any case, I think it is time for the bigger person to stand up and
say that the nonsense needs to stop. Quit behaving like a couple of
schoolyard idiots and get back to discussing issues of Alternative
Medicine, mmmkay?
Mark, MD
P.S. . I just thought it was time
to say that you and Mark P. need to quit derailing this NG.
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