Herman Rubin wrote:
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On Jul 16, 4:39 pm, (Herman Rubin) wrote:
In article wxymi.4551$BI5.3@trnddc07, Jeff wrote:
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On Jul 14, 8:31 am, Jeff wrote:
JOHN wrote:
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html
Will you please cite references which show that the vaccine ingredients,
in the very low doses used, are harmful?
Jeff
Jeff,
Please show peer reviewed references which show vaccine
ingredients are not harmful at low doses even though the msds states
clearly that the ingredients are toxic and dangerous.
The MSDS don't discuss the use of the chemicals in vaccines. The doses
used are much, much smaller than the toxic doses.
Since when can
the human safely eat rotten eggs or the pus from monkey kidneys?
Injecting the filth is probably 1000 times more harmful.
Considering that neither rotten eggs nor monkey kidney pus is injected
into humans, this question is irrelevent.
The dose may make the chemical a poison, a lower dose may make
the chemical a medicine, but there is no dose whereby a poison becomes
a nutrient and not a poison.
Nor did I ever say there was one.
A poison in any dose is still a poison
and the body has to deal with it regardless of the amount injected or
swallowed.
Actually, water is a poison. I would find it hard to argue that it is
not a nutrient.

Until it was found to be an essential nutrient, selenium
was considered ONLY to be a poison.


You say selenium as if all selenium compounds are the same. They are
not.

Of course not. Neither are they the same for any other
element.

A grad student friend of mine, working on selenium compounds,
developed a most severe case of swollen testes as a result of selenium
exposure.

This is one of the known effects. The nutritional dosage
is given in micrograms, with a milligram being on the order
of a week's total dosage.

What selenium compound is nutritional, and which are not?

As I understand it, it makes little difference. Selenium
as a supplement is either given as a simple chemical, or
as one formed by yeast.

Selenium can be either effective or toxic from plants.
The locoweed of the southwest was so by concentrating
selenium; it is the dosage that counts.

Generally speaking, if the mineral has not been absorbed into a plant,
converted into an organic mineral, then eaten to be absorbed by a
human, the mineral will be toxic to the human, but may have medicinal
or drug effects.

This is not the case for sodium chloride or potassium
chloride, which are taken directly. As to whether
something will be toxic, it essentially depends on
the dosage, for minerals. The same is true for fluorine,
which is usually given as sodium fluoride.

Wrong. Fluorine is a gas, not a mineral. Sodium fluoride is very
different from fluorine.

Also, calcium
carbonate is the calcium compound usually used; eggshells and
other shells are mainly this mineral. It seems to
make little difference if a simple element is taken
in a simple chemical compound (most elements, as
elements, do not have the right features for utilization)
or as a biological compound, with possibly cobalt as
an exception, as it is used as part of a vitamin.

Actually, it does. Elemental mercury has different properties than
organic mercury compounds. And different organic mercury compound have
different toxicities.

In addition, some elements like iron have different ions, Fe++ and
Fe+++. These ions have different biological activity.

But simple compounds usually do the work. I do not
know of any situation where elements, not compounds,
are used, as the elements would be difficult to
handle, or the digestive system would either be
damaged or fail to digest the element.

The digestive system cannot digest elements. The digestive system cannot
break down atoms.

No known pharma company has the technology of the
simple green plants.

Except the ones that use green plants.

Neither do green plants have the capabilities of the
companies.

Can you distinguish between a drug and a nutritional effect of any
chemical compound?

Many nutritional compounds are used at higher doses
as drugs. This includes several vitamins.

That is a different of quantity, but not a qualitative difference.

Jeff