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Old July 26th 03, 07:03 AM
Betsy
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Default help me keep my son from perpetuating the cycle of abuse (very long)

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Betsy wrote:
In news:F_oTa.121984$N7.17176@sccrnsc03,
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Betsy wrote:
I suppose I shall discover in time, if this is going to continue.
One never knows when another may begin the change needed. I have
done what I can, and will let time tell the rest. I have learned,
the hard way, not to invest too much of myself 'saving' other
people. I share my story(ies) and what worked for me. Where I am
now, is miles from where I was 12 years ago. It took 12 years to
get here, but I am here. I can only act as a guide to those
willing to accept guidance. No more need be said. Or rather, I
will say no more.

what are you talking to HIM for? I have already admitted to needing
to change, Paul is in denial and clearly abusive calling me looney
lorain on here all the time yet insisting that he is doing nothing
wrong, don't talk to him about how hard you have it convincing me
that I need to change. That ruins your credibility. Otherwise, I
do take your words to heart and appreciate your efforts to help me
and
my son, and I love your .sig lines, they are funny.


OK, first off, I am free to talk to whomever I choose. Whether you
like it or not, whether my son likes it or not, whether my mother
likes it or not. It's called free choice, and it's a God given gift.
Secondly, I am simply letting these folks know, that while they
disagree with me on whether or not you will change, I (being
relatively new here) am going to try. They are trying to dissuade
me, by telling me I am wasting my time. I am telling him (Paul) in
essence, it's my time, I choose how to spend it. If you find it
ruins my credibility, then I wasn't very credible in your eyes to
begin with. Sometimes things happen that you don't like, that don't
affect you directly, that aren't aimed at you, and you don't like
them. Get over it, move on, don't let it bother you. If I got upset
everytime on of my co-workers I respected spoke to one of my
co-workers I didn't like, I would spend my entired work day upset.
It's not worth it.

Betsy


Since you are relatively new perhaps you are not as aware as the rest
of us that Paul Fritz has been harassing me for years now so of
course I take offense that you would dignify him by talking to him as
if he had integrity. If people hadn't welcomed him when he followed
me over here from alt.child-support where he originated his campaign
of hate against me he wouldn't still be here, calling me looney
lorain and mocking my feminist ideals day in and day out. He rarely
talks about his children as clearly that is not his main purpose
here. Most of his posts are directed at me. I wasn't trying to
control you so chill out. If he called you names and made fun of you
all the time, I wouldn't talk to him like he was normal so I don't
understand it when you talk to him like nothing is wrong.



I don't see anywhere in my post I accuse you of attempting to control me. I
know you CAN'T control me, so I would never insinuate such a thing. I was
merely pointing out I am free to speak to whomever I please. And from what
I have read here, Paul has shown integrity in some posts, not in others.
But the same can be said of most people here. I am not here to make
friends, but to get support. I understand that means I may not always like
what I hear. Getting a differing viewpoint from a father is going to be
helpful to me. To be honest, I don't care if you like it or not. I am
going to take advantage of the support here. That's what this group is
about. If I don't like what Paul or Tom, or any other guy here has to say,
it's OK because I don't have to read it. If they start harrassing or
abusing me, I will killfile them. Same goes for anyone else here. I am not
here to play petty games of "if you talk to him you must not like me" and
"if you talk to her, you are as bad as she is." Get over it. I surely
will.

Betsy
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Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with
ketchup.