Doan wrote:
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, 0:- wrote:
We live in a country were, with a reduction in school paddlings and more
and more support for NOT spanking children, we enjoy a 30 year decline
in violent crime, schools, despite the media trying to make it look
otherwise, are the safest place for children when it comes to violent
victimization.
Hahaha! Violent crime peaked in 1994!
A slight upward trend in an overall downward decline since 1973. Like I
said, 3 decades. Downward. Use the entire span. Now you are OBVIOUSLY
lying, as no one in their right mind could miss the entire chart end to
end from 30 years back.. Or could you be THIS stupid?
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm
Either you are very STUPID or just a very bad LIAR!
Apparently you can't read charts, either. Check what I actually said and
what the chart shows.
It did NOT rise to previous levels and that was part of a continuing
downward trend. Just how stupid ARE you Doan.
Starting in 1973 about 44 per 1000, in 1981 a slight rise to 46, with
dips along the way. 86 a dip to 41, then a short sharp increase in 91,
close to the 81 levels, and a steep decline from there to 2004 of only
about 20 per thousand.
This does not include children under 12 either.
Even child abuse numbers have a downward trend.
You notice I said "trend" and not 30 years.
Oops! More lies:
Yes, you certainly don't ever run out of them. This is NOT a rate chart
and includes abuses that are NOT violent crimes.
* There have been substantial and significant increases in the
incidence of child abuse and neglect since the last national incidence
study was conducted in 1986.
Where's the rate per K?
* Under the Harm Standard definitions, the total number of abused and
neglected children was two-thirds higher in the NIS-3 than in the NIS-2.
This means that a child's risk of experiencing harm-causing abuse or
neglect in 1993 was one and one-half times the child's risk in 1986.
Neglect is not a "violent crime" for data collection purposes. You are
in my field of expertise, Doan. And wrong.
* Under the Endangerment Standard, the number of abused and neglected
children nearly doubled from 1986 to 1993. Physical abuse nearly doubled,
sexual abuse more than doubled, and emotional abuse, physical neglect, and
emotional neglect were all more than two and one-half times their NIS-2
levels.
Emotional abuse is not listed as a violent crime anywhere. Nor is neglect.
* The total number of children seriously injured and the total number
endangered both quadrupled during this time.
Notice it says total number seriously injured? I said abuse. And abuse
is more than just serious injury. Just how stupid are you.
With out the rate this means little.
Source:
http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov/pubs/stat...3.cfm#national
Rates, dummy. Rates.
Here is the 12 - 17 age violent crime victim rates. There is a current
upswing. Cause unknown at this time. I suspect changes in reporting
method....just as the DOJ chart you offered shows...they have switched
over during this time period and are mixing two methods.
http://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/beh4.asp
"Child stats" is drawing their figures from FBI-DOJ data.
"According to reports by victims, in 2003 the serious violent crime
offending rate was 15 crimes per 1,000 juveniles ages 12–17, totaling
375,000 such crimes involving juveniles. While this is higher than the
rate in 2002, it is a 71 percent drop from the 1993 peak."
http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/i...timization.cfm
"Violent Crime Victimization
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Headline
Violent crime victimization among adolescents has declined by more than
half since the early 1990s. Between 1994 and 2004, the victimization
rate declined for adolescents ages 12 to 15 from 118.6 per 1,000 to 49.7
per 1,000. For youth ages 16 to 19, the rate declined from 123.9 per
1,000 to 45.9 per 1,000. (See Figure 1) "
There some nice breakouts that do indeed strongly support my claim that
something significant are happen in the lives of these children that is
reducing violence rates so drastically.
I contend it's more and more children being treated respectfully. In
fact the teens being point out here would be among the first
beneficiaries of the reduction in school paddlings starting many years
back.
And those NUMBERS of child abuse victims you want to count.....
http://www.witnessjustice.org/news/stats.cfm
"More than 60 percent of child victims experience neglect. Almost 20
percent are physically abused; 10 percent are sexually abused. (U.S.
Department of Health and Human Services, Administration on Children &
Families, Child Maltreatment 2002 — 2004)"
So you have to reduce the NUMBER by 60%, hysterical dancing screeching
monkeyboy.
Doan
Next stupid claim please.
-0:-
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