Doan wrote:
Let me guess. According to you, a police striking you with his baton
is not assault but a parent spanking a child is, right? ;-)

I don't know if LaVonne reads your posts or they are filtered, but she
reads mine most likely, so I'll be happy to answer.

This have been explained so many times to you it feels like endlessly.

One - people do NOT generally spank to subdue or in self defense against
an attacking fighting child. Spankers seem to universally claim they are
responsible and use it to "TEACH."

1.2 IF a parent used hitting for self protection and to subdue and
attacking child, it would be a teen and they might well BE CHARGED with
assault and have to go to court to beat the charges. They might succeed.
I had children in may care at one time, adolescent boys, that did in
fact, end up in jail for physical fights with their parents. The parents
weren't charged.

Two - police officers are breaking the law if they use any weapon of any
kind, including fists and feet, to "teach or punish" someone. They may
only use force for self defense or defense of others and to subdue, that
is, bring under control, a perpetrator or arrestee.

Now give us some more of your stupid lies about police batons.

Parent or police, misuse of their authority is illegal.

And shortly, as in other countries, and some schools in the US, you will
see this become illegal as well.

Spanking cannot be done without "striking" a child. Striking an adult is
assault. There is NO difference in this issue (unlike sex, you smart
ass) between the pain an adult feels and that a child feels...though
it's likely MORE for a child.

You are a proponent of assault children. If you ever do it hope you end
up in jail with inmates that have in fact been assaulted by parents.
Might finally wake you up, child.

Kane

Doan

On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Carlson LaVonne wrote:

You said in all, Kane, when you said " More and more research confirms
what we've always known, and why we have laws against assault. Assault
is destructive of a society. Whether the victim is an adult or a child."

LaVonne

0:- wrote:

Opinions wrote:

A latter day Much Ado About Nothing might adequately describe the
situation. Only, this play would be a tragedy and all the scheming
would result in ruination of the very thing they proposed to save.

Another appropriate title might be Don't Mess with Mother Nature. This
would be the story of a small group of social scientists obsessed with
creating families they could have power over. As with Dr.
Frankenstein, their brilliant minds would get the better of them and
the emotionally malformed children would be nothing like they
envisioned. In time, quite naturally, the creatures of their creation
reject their creators and return to the old ways of doing things. The
social scientists would be remembered as ogres and monsters in stories
told to future generations of children.

The twin factors that will eventually destroy no-spank are its heavy
reliance on rules and laws to make parents conform to the dictates of a
few esoteric eccentrics. The new rules then require extensive and
expensive alternatives that consume an inordinate amount of resources
in proportion to the results achieved.

Unlike ages old laws prohibiting murder, on which most people have
agreed over time, there is nothing approaching a consensus on no-spank
despite a mountain of propaganda declaring spanking to be evil.
Instead of linear progress in no-spank, the results more closely
resemble a logarithmic curve that flattens as it climbs.

Much like parents who spanks too much, the no-spank agenda has reached
the point of diminishing returns. Even enormous efforts yield very
little results. In some cases, as with vitriolic no-spanks, the
results are even counterproductive.

This is the fate of those who try to mess with the natural order of
things. They usually expend a great deal of energy and leave behind a
disaster!

Children who are raised using other methods of teaching and discipline
do far better then spanked children. Mental health practitioners rarely
find children in their practices that were not spanked, and those are
children with psychiatric (physiological abnormalities) problems.

Spankers are so desperate that they, like lil 'o' just make up this crap
to try and support a failing agenda.

We live in a country were, with a reduction in school paddlings and more
and more support for NOT spanking children, we enjoy a 30 year decline
in violent crime, schools, despite the media trying to make it look
otherwise, are the safest place for children when it comes to violent
victimization.

Even child abuse numbers have a downward trend.

The only place left to reduce this horrendous insult to children be
assault and refusal to admit what it is, is in the home.

Spanking is the rotten core of families and societies that do not work.

Nation after nation has outlawed the practice. In the US state after
state takes paddling from the school house.

Still we have tortured children, dependent on parents, with NO recourse
against the pain and humiliation but to act up and act out further when
the chance arises, often against themselves and later against society.

More and more research confirms what we've always known, and why we have
laws against assault. Assault is destructive of a society. Whether the
victim is an adult or a child.

Kane







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