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Doan wrote:

On 19 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote:


The topic - particularly the question of when physical punishment
becomes abuse - lay at the heart of a Hamilton County Municipal Court
case in Cincinnati that involved former City Councilman Sam Malone.

He was found not guilty of domestic violence on Friday. He had been
accused of beating his 14-year-old son with a belt for
disrespecting a
teacher.

The teenager suffered welts on his arms, legs, chest and buttocks.


So did he crossed "the line", ignoranus kane0? ;-)

So do you think he did?

Once upon a time you made the argument, (AND YES I HAVE THE POST HANDY)
when CPS followed a judge's orders (as they are required to do, by law),
that "just following orders" is not a defense for immoral acts by people
in authority.

Do you believe the court was correct in aquiting someone that left
welts on a child's arms, legs, chest and buttocks using a belt?

Where is your line, Doan?


Keeping youngsters busy and redirecting their behavior before trouble
starts represent the best strategies, Dublin psychologist Robert
Fathman said.

A spoken reprimand usually suffices - followed by a task or chore
"that benefits the injured party."


By golly, Doan, my apologies. You were right and I was wrong. Fathman
did in fact suggest a "reprimand," and toto missed that, or didn't read
that post.

How about that. Now call me a liar and show what a fool you are.


The 60-year-old father of four grown children was fond of making them
clean his car as punishment.

Fathman serves as president of the nonprofit Center for Effective
Discipline in Columbus - which opposes physical punishment.


Hah! hah! hah! This Dr. Fathman is a real character! Do you know
him, Kane? ;-)


I don't think so. The name's not familiar. I don't substitute one kind
of punishment for another. I'm a bit put off with you for not noticing
that after all these years, even though I've argued this with you in
the past. You seem to selectively forget things to make your silly
schoolboy challenges.

I'm curious about this article. They list him as a Dublin resident, yet
a Columbus organization president. Is there a Dublin in Ohio?


So anti-spanking zealotS now think that cleaning
a car is better than spanking!


Some might. Not all. I'm an anti-spanking advocate, and I don't support
punishment of any kind for teaching. I understand you do though, if
your defense of Singapore, and spanking parents, and R R R Dobson, are
any indication.

Where would you find that as a general rule; THAT all anti-spanking
advocates support other punishments in it's place, and what makes you
think that all those that advocate other than CP all think other
punishments are warranted?

Doan

Your childish challenges are noted for what they a a lack of
creativity and lack of honesty or intelligence on your part.

It's a shame something is blocking you getting in touch with more than
the tiny repertoire of school yard bully responses you seem to be
limited to. You seem to be such an intelligent fellow.

Haven't figure out yet how to send a package to someone without it
going to their home address? Easiest thing in the world. My offer to
toto is still open. And I do not want her home address. Nor need it.

You make all these offers but you never follow through. How is that?

No one seems to want to have contact with you. Even Alina was reluctant
to send you a stamped self addressed envelope. Gosh. I'd have thought
at LEAST she would trust you. 0:-

Kane

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin