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Old September 12th 03, 12:47 PM
Kane
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:03:10 GMT, "Doug"
wrote:

Fern wrote:

Remember CPS seems NOT to have diminished the occurrence of

child
deaths in the
US.

To which, Kane responds:

What careful wording in an attempt to mislead the reader. Been

taking
lessons from Duplicitous Doug?

Hi, Kane!

Who could resist such an invitation. Fern did not need to be

"careful"
in
her wording. The RATE of child fatalities due to abuse/neglect

has not
diminished. Neither has the occurance.


Oh, The Plant posted something untrue then?


Hi, Kane!

No, what Fern posted is true. Your challenge -- that while occurance

of
child fatalities has gone up, the RATE of fatalities has decreased --

is
untrue.

In point of fact, the RATE of fatalities due to abuse/neglect

increased in
2001. As mentioned, in that year 1.81 per 100,000 children died as

the
result of abuse/neglect inflicted in the general population and 3.40

per
100,000 children died as the result of abuse/neglect inflicted in

foster
care.

Fern's initial statement was:

"Remember CPS seems NOT to have diminished the occurrence of child
deaths in the US."

She was correct.

Rates of fatalities (which, of course, adjust for population

increase) have
gone up.

And you aren't going after IT for that error? Hmmm.. wonder why.


...Because Fern did not make an error. She was correct. In fact,

child
fatalities due to abuse and neglect have not only increased in

occurance, as
she states, but also in rate.


You should call the cops, Doug. Someone has been posting under your
addy and refuting your claims. Tsk.

Subject: New Child Welfare Head in Florida Is Drawing Fire
From: "Doug"
Date: 8/19/2002 1:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: nk.net

............................

In cases of serious child abuse, the argument is moot. Police are
already actively involved in investigating (and DA's prosecuting)
child abuse and neglect. Most states require that CPS agencies notify
police of child abuse reports they receive and specially trained
detectives conduct independent or collateral investigations.
Naturallly, CPS caseworkers have no authority over police or the
prosecutors who use the fruits of the investigation to bring child
abusers to trial. Criminal investigation and prosecution requires
that caregivers be afforded due process of law and, of course, the
jury trials are open to the public.

The involvement of police has not impacted the fatality rate of
children who are abused/neglected. The per capita rate of child
fatalities due to abuse/neglect has remained relatively constant for
decades.

...........................................

Not your words, Doug?

Can't have it both ways, Doug, or can you?

My point wasn't that there was no change, or even that there was, but
that The Plant, and you to follow, seem to be extremely careful to
create an impression that the fault lies with CPS.

You don't know that, and neither does It.

It's like your old argument that foster parents cause more fatalities
of children than bio parents, when the data is clearly labeled as IN
foster care NOT by foster caregivers. But BY bio parents, not IN the
care of the bio parents.

Such careful wording by reporters is noteworthy, and makes it rather
clear that they aren't counting convictions of fosters, but they very
likely ARE of bio parents.

The reporting and harvesting of data isn't quite as simple as you'd
like folks to believe.

Your assumptive attempts to isolate bits and pieces of data and con
the reader is duly noted.

This is a field with massive amounts of data and many varying opinions
and analyses of such. It makes it fertile ground for grow nonsense
Trees. Like yours and The Plants.

Though it's terribly heavy going I recommend a visit to

http://tinyurl.com/n44h

if for no other reason than to see the enormity of this field of
interest.

And for those with a bent to research I'm sure they'll find you are
full of ****. At least part of the time and from place to place,
source to source, analyst to analyst.

It isn't that data can't be found that you quote...but that data can
be found to support many points of view, all peer reviewed, and nicely
packaged.

In other words, YOU, gentle reader, just as Doug, can find something
to support your position no matter how much you change it from time to
time. R R R R.

A favorite hobby of mine, when reading such data sources is to note
things about collection and source, and what is missing. Some of the
data you and I have gone over before had massive amounts of missing
reportage from various states but you insisted that the data had
validity for your point of view, but not mine. Consistency is a
continuing and unsolved challenge.

More of your nonsense.

Kane