On 3 Feb 2004, Kane wrote:
On 3 Feb 2004 13:25:51 -0800, (doan) wrote:
toto wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:46:07 GMT, "I Spank Mine"
wrote:
Nothing worse than someone who puts you down for spanking your
child
in public for totally unacceptable behavior, then watches, with
blind
acceptance, as their little Julie or Tommy knocks the hell out of
another child, trashes a display and gives them a ****ing
time-out.
Interesting because I don't see parents *watching* as their child
beats up other children. Most parents I know intervene in
situations
where a child is fighting (that includes both parents who spank and
those who don't spank, btw). The reaction, however, of spanking
the child for fighting with another child strikes me as totally
unproductive since it simply teaches that if you are bigger, it's
quite ok to hit. After all mommy and daddy hit me, so as long as
I have the power, I can hit too.
That is not what Gunnoe & Mariner (1997) found! It depends on the
context, which you ignored. Using your logic, it then follows that
taking toys away
from your children teaches them that IT IS OK TO ROB!!!
Here is a summary of the study:
Title: Spanking and Children's Aggression...
[Abstract, August Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1997;151:768-775] (c) AMA
1997
Toward a Developmental-Contextual Model of the Effects of Parental
Spanking on
Children's Aggression
(Marjorie Lindner Gunnoe, PhD; Carrie Lea Mariner, MA )
Objective:
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To challenge the application of an unqualified social learning model
to the
study of spanking, positing instead a developmental-contextual model
in which
the effects of spanking depend on the meaning children ascribe to
spanking.
Design:
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Population-based survey data from 1112 children aged 4 to 11 years in
the
National Survey of Families and Households. Controlled for several
family
and child factors including children's baseline aggression.
Main Outcome Measures:
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Schoolyard fights and antisocial scores on the Behavior Problems
Index at the
5-year follow-up.
Results:
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Structural equation modeling yielded main effects (P =.05, change in
chi
square) of children's age and race; spanking predicted fewer fights
for
children aged 4 to 7 years and for children who are black and more
fights
for children aged 8 to 11 years and for children who are white.
Regression
analyses within subgroups yielded no evidence that spanking fostered
aggression in children younger than 6 years and supported claims of
increased
aggression for only 1 subgroup: 8- to 11-year-old white boys in
single-mother
families (P =.05, F test).
Yoooooohooooo...toooooodleeeeeedooooooo...over here coward....
LOL! Unlike you, I don't hide behind fake email address and hurling
obscenites. Calling other women "smelly-****" is showing courage???
I notice you are ignoring even my simple request to prove you have the
Embry study, that you claimed so boisterously to have, and that you
would mail it to anyone that requested it.
No shows on that, eh?
I have already proved that you were on the punishment component in
the Embry study. You are either stupid or a very bad liar. Which
is it? :-)
And no shows on telling me what was on that page whose number I gave
you?
Tsk, little coward, tsk.
The one that hide behind fake email address is the real coward! :-)
R R R R R
So you've gone back to your usual Doananism of screwing with the
interpretations of studies, eh? I suspected you would.
And you are showing that you are stupid! Even Chris Dugan, your master,
has publicly called you stupid and you didn't even know it! :-)
So tell us, Doananator, why have you backed down from my response to
YOUR OWN CHALLENGES....as in "I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE DARE YOU" like a
silly little boy in the school yard thinking he can bluff the big
boys?
Because the burden of proof is on you, as you said Kane9! ;-)
I am going after your master, Chris Dugan. Get him in!
There's nothing to answering The Question honestly. Canada even
rejected your answer. All you have to do is get honest about how
parents can determine where that abuse "speed limit" and "no left
turn" sign are, right? Easy as pie I'd think, for a smart little
feller like you.
Canada has banned spanking???? ;-)
And you could so easily prove your DOUBLE DARE YAH by simply posting
your proof on my comments you claim about being spanked or not?
But the burden of proof is on you, using your logic. Why don't
you meet your burden of proof? :-0
You seem kind of tonguetied, little boy. Why IS that I wonder.
I am still here, always have. Why is your master, Chris Dugan, running
away from debating me? ;-)
Which brings up back to the subject of your weasely cowardly dodge on
the Embry Study.
Which you have demonstrated that you were wrong on the punishment
component of it and can't even tell me what the sample size is.
What is the sample size, Kane9 Kan't? ;-)
Why you have me nailed if you answered that question, wouldn't you
now?
The sample size, Kane9 Kan't! ;-)
Of course you are stalling while you frantically try to find a copy.
Hey, they are available. And you claim to have one.
Yup! And I will mail a copy to anyone that asked.
Why haven't you answered my question about the page I gave you the
number of?
Why haven't you answered me on the sample size?
R R R R, cowardly Doananiser. R R R R R
Stupid little Kane9! :-)
When you finally get a copy we'll all still wonder why you have lied
all this time about having it.
Why did you lied about the punishment component?
You are so lousy at bluffing I can hardly believe it. After all these
years of practice to. {-
Why did you lied about the punishment component?
I'm thinking about responding positively to a request to teach some
critical thinking skills. If I decide to do it, and I'm surely
tempted, I'm going to pull a number of your posts and ask my students
to do an analysis on their content, of course anonomously so as not to
embarrass you too much. And of course out of respect for copyright
I'll change the objects but retain the context.
Why did you lied about the punishment component?
I'll get back to you with their reports, should I decide to take up
the offer.
What is the sample size, Kane9 Kan't? ;-)
Kane
9 Kan't! :-)
Doan