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Old July 27th 06, 06:56 AM posted to alt.true-crime,misc.kids,alt.gossip.celebrities,alt.parenting.solutions,alt.support.childfree
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Default ! Andrea Yates found Not Guilty of drowning her five children


127.0.0.1 wrote:
Hunter wrote:


127.0.0.1 wrote:
Hunter wrote:


lkfraley wrote:
I can't believe they didn't find her guilty. She did it right? That is
for certain. So how can they find her not guilty? Crazy or not, she
killed her babies. She didn't have any right to do that to them. She
needs to be put away somewhere. If she ever had another child, she
would only do the same thing to them. I don't feel sorry for her.
Everyone has some kind of problems, but we don't kill our children
because our lives get us down. Give me a break. I don't care what they
do to her. They should just cut her hands off I guess, to keep her
from hurting more people. But I guess it's only the children she wants
to hurt. Good luck to everyone who comes in contact with her.
Sorry I have no sympathy for her. Why should I?
My first child died at 32 weeks gestation and I was horribly
devastated. I wanted him so much. I could never understand how someone
could take a child's life on purpose.
Oh well, it's not for me to figure out, that's up to God.
I don't think you should kill anyone, especially not children.
Precious little angels.
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Guilt is about responsibility and not just about if a deed is done or
not. Andrea Yates was insane at the time of the act with a clear
history of mental illness proceeding the killings. If you are not in
your right mind and can distinguish between right and wrong or more
precisely in this case think you are sending your babies to heaven so
they wouldn't grow up sinful, you are not responsible for your actions.
Responsibility depends on the ability to understand. It is the reason
we treat children differently than adults even if they commit similar
crimes, or animals who attack humans. We may kill them because they
have tasted human blood and are uncontrollable, but we are not
punishing them.

I too feel for the kids, but they were victims of postpartum psychosis
and other mental illnesses like perhaps schizophrenia that ran in
Andrea's family and Andrea being in the thrall of a cultish clergyman
Michael Peter Woroniecki.

By way of comparison Susan Smith was totally sane and clear headed when
she drowned her kids so that she could win the affection of a would be
boyfriend. Who indicated that he did not want to be saddled with
another man's kid. He was NOT involved in ANYWAY in those killings I
stress. What Susan Smith did was evil, what Andrea Yates did was the
result of sickness.

----Hunter

Your logic if flawed moron! You would have to be mental to go around and
kill people at random, yes? No sane person would do that, right?

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First you have a cartoon image of mental illness. It is not always
about running around drooling a jabbering to one's self. Most aren't
that way. It is a warped view of the world, your own reality. A
mentally ill person could be at first blush appear rational until you
start taking to them at length. Mental illness could and often is very
subtle. What Andrea Yates did was under the influence of bad chemical
imbalances in the brain supplemented by her religious beliefs worrying
about her children growing up in sin.



I know all about it... I'm 15 and have ADD. I've never had the urge to kill
anyone.

Sane people kill all the time. For relief of stress, for personal gain.
Susan Smith had no history of mental illness, and did not have a mental
illness at the time of her killing her children. Also. Andrea Yates,
who had a clear documented case history of mental illness made no
effort to conceal the crime. Indeed, she called 911 as soon as she laid
out her kids bodies on the bed. She thought, through her warped reality
she was saving her children.


Has it not ever occurred to you that she was just an evil bitch who got
tired of babysitting?



In contrast Susan Smith concocted a
phantom black kidnapper to curry sympathy and to cover up her murder of
her children for the personal gain of winning a would be boyfriend.


Yes, she was evil also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates

How many serial killers have we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes
like Yates, both are mental and both should be KILLED!

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No. Serial killers, most of them, are not mentally ill. Quite the
opposite, they are very rational.


How can you say serial killers aren't mental? NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT GO AROUND
KILLING PEOPLE. Uhhhh, that's not NORMAL BEHAVIOR.



They made have suffered some child
hood trauma that put them on that path and is suffering from unresolved
rage but otherwise they know right from wrong.


Sure they no right from wrong, but they kill anyway, that's what makes them
mental.

What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates? Both are
mental.

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Yates has a treatable disease that was and is responding to
psyhcothropic drugs. Drugs she did not get before the killing for a
mental disease she was known to have.


What kind of drugs? Ritilan?


Indeed, the clinic treating her
turned her away. The fundamentalist church she belonged to may have
discoraged her from seeking treatment relying on the Lord to help her
instead. On the other hand Ted Bundy didn't have a detectable mental
illness.


Nonetheless Bundy was mental. NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT GO AROUND AND KILL OTHER
PEOPLE.


He calculatingly tried to sloth off responsibility to the porn
he read. John Wayne Gacy didn't have a mental illness. Aileen Wuornos
didn't. Neither did Jeffrey Dahmer. Many serial killers did suffer some
trauma as children including physical and sexual abuse that lead to
their compulsions but they weren't mentally ill or legally insane at
the time(s) of they committing murder. Most of them also have had a
previous criminal history. Andrea Yates did not to the best of my
knowledge.



How can you say these guys weren't mental? The people you mentioned above
killed others because they got pleasure in murdering other people. Only a
nut-job gets pleasure out of hurting or murdering people.
Care to deny that the Marquis De Sade was mental, even though some have
called him a brilliant writer? I read - 120 Days Of Sodom and had bad
dreams from reading that crap. None of that was true, right? Still dunno if
that was fact or fiction - Fiction I think, I really don't think humans
could do that evil stuff to another human. Is fiction, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

This is the trouble many people have with mental illness. Monstrous
acts can be and are committed by sane people, Susan Smith for one. But
also a physical mental illness brought on by actual chemical imbalances
in the brain can cause people to commit monstrous acts. People can't
see mental illness but it is as real as a broken arm.


I have ADD and I don't kill people, I don't drown children, I don't strap
children in the back seats of cars and push the car in a lake. Many people
at my school have ADD and we don't kill people.

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There are different disease of the brain and mind just like there are
different disease of the body.
Having a skin rash is not like haveing skin cancer. Comparing
Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD or AADHD if you are an
Adult) and Postpartum psychosis would be like comparing a head cold
with Lime disease. People afflicted with ADD don't have psychological
breaks from reality.

However, someone who doesn't know and understand your condition could
interpret your possible forgetfulness, poor impulse control and mood
shifts as willful, inconsiderate, irresponsible and childish behavior.
Indeed, before it was diagnosed many people afflicted with ADHD where
treated quite harshly by disciplinarians thinking they were dealing
with recalcitrant children or selfish adults, just like people with
Dyslexia where treated as stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenti...ivity_disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpar...rtum_psychosis

Unless she is on the proper medication, it is not something she can
help. Indeed, it was her not being able to get the drugs and trusting
that God would see her through is what caused the tragedy. What would
happen if you don't take your meds? You may not go out and kill
someone, but your illness would manifest itself wouldn't it?
Unfortunately Post-partum psychosis manifest itself in the form of
delusions, which were deadly to her children.

----Hunter