Jennie wrote:
Almost 40 percent of parents in the study population said they would
tell their child it is OK to hit if another person pushes or hits him
or her


Absolutely. If the kid doesn't hit back, the bullies will attack him
again. I would spank the child for attacking nother person unprovoked,
or after any sort of provocation that didn't involve being hit. But you
hit my kid and he'll hit you back, and rightly so.

Jennie

You've no idea what you are promoting, do you?

And no, the bullies do not hit back if the child uses those means
available to civilized people.

Now if the have no such means, and they are in danger, well sure.

But a child can always go, or should be able to if their parent isn't a
coward, and tell them what happened and ask for help.

Most parents of bullies are not in support of them being bullies.

Time and again parents have handled such things between them and the
bully learned not to do that, and the bullied child learned the correct
way to handle violence BEFORE it gets out of hand.

Civilized people do the later. Savages, and the world is full of them,
just escalate.

By the way, I'm a gun owner. And I carry. The last thing I ever want to
do is pull it on a "bully." Only if I have NO OTHER way out, would I do
that.

I've had a number of encounters with "bullies" of various kinds, from on
the street to driving. It would never occur to me to draw my gun. Now if
they took actions that endangered my life? Sure.

But in any of those instances I've encountered that started to escalate,
except for two, I simply called the police dispatch on my cell phone. I
sought the help the civilized have put in place to keep from escalating
to murderous violence.

The two other incidences? They had progressed well into it being far too
late to call the police, and the murderous intent of the aggressors was
plainly spoken and being acted upon.

Did I shot them?

Did not have to. Again, no violence took place. Just the presence of my
gun was enough to change their minds.

I walk quietly, as Teddy suggested. I do not provoke. I avoid
escalation. I use all the means possible to do this without violence,
and even then, I use the potential to return violence with greater or
equal violence only if the perp does not stop on my command.

You are urging a child to hit at the first hit, are you not?

A first hit from a child, even against another child, is rarely life
threatening. If the bully is not satisfied with the child walking away
and stops him or her, then sure, go for the gold. That's escalation by
the bully.

But do NOT presume it. And please, don't teach your child to not hit by
hitting him.

You do get the incongruence, so you not?

Bullies are in fact spanked children. Unspanked children do not become
bullies.

Kane

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Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be,
the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very
alien he doth appear? Kane 2006