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On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 20:04:16 +0200, "Dusty" wrote:

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The whole thing is too little, too late. The FIRST necessity is to
consider and treat BOTH parents as equals, which would solve the whole
problem but that isn't gonna happen until men, as a group, get radical
and vocal.

That's all well and good Phil, but there's a major flaw in that idea..
(1) men are being picked off one-by-one wither they are vocal about it
or not and (2) try as we might, there is no central figure for men to
rally around.

I hate to say it, but most people are sheep and will only follow those
in front of them, even if it's over a cliff. The lack of a central,
organized hub, if you will, to grease the wheels and keep them turning
in the right direction is what is required for the MRM to take flight.

Part of the problem is that there are many, many splinter groups that,
much like the Red Queen, are after someone's head. This in turn is what
feeds the media to portray everyone in the MRM as a nut-job. Which
leads us to another part of the problem, lack of media support or good,
pro-father stories in the media. A good deal of that can be laid at the
feet of the Hollywood elite by their constant portrayals of men as
complete dopes and utter fools. After being fed a steady diet of "Dad
is a Buffoon" for nearly 30 years the public buys into it, hook, line
and sinker without ever raising an eyebrow.

Reverse this and people will demand heads on platters. An unlikely
example of this is David Letterman and his so-called joke about former
Governor Palin's daughter. People who heard it wanted Letterman's head
in a pike for insulting a young girl and insinuating that rape would be
good for her. But whereas people went into an uproar over this
happening to a female, not a peep was heard about a demand for Letterman
to apologize to the MAN he slighted as her would-be rapist!

There's a lot of work yet to be done before we can even think of getting
into the ring with the girls.

That was the "radical" part I mentioned: getting politically active and
unified, which would be a radical change in the way men act and react.
This whole anti-male mindset of which you speak has come about since the
1960's when women became intensively politically active.
Of course men, who have historically been forced to work to support
women, are at a disadvantage but it is not insurmountable.
How exactly did we wind up with three liberals at the head positions of
governement (Obama, Reid, Pelosi)? By a majority of women and minorities
who are most likely to benefit from liberal politcs, taking and active
part of the process while the majority of men ignored it at their own
peril. Approximately 63% of voters were from urban areas and 66% under
the age of 30 voted for Obama. Nearly 100% of black voters cast ballots
for Obama then flatly state that anyone who opposed his policies do so
because of racism... and no one bats an eye.

Nearly every commerical is based in a stupid, childish, lazy and/or
incompetent father/husband with a wise, competent, hard-working and
mature mother/wife as are many of the TV shows (Roseanne, Home
Improvement, etc.), and for many this becomes real-life; almost a
documentary. And men ignore it, even buy into it.

Phil #3

Well stated. I personally know a handful of middle-aged white men who have
applied for (and received, believe it or not) government welfare. They
figure if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. Slowly, but surely, the U.S. is
becomong the U.K.

[By the way, food stamps come in the form of a credit card, better known
as a "dignity" card. WHY? Are the government people saying that collecting
welfare is a shameful act to be concealed?]


Two of my sons (raised by their mother who restriced my involvement)
currently get food stamps and have for several years. They are both healthy
and capable but lazy, a lifestyle they didn't get from me. Neither hold a
job longer than it takes for unemployment benefits to kick in then they stay
unemployed until benefits end only to repeat the cycle with a low-paying job
that won't end their eligibility. I've voiced my displeasure with their
actions but decades of indoctrination is firmly planted.
Yet they both recognize the anti-male actions of government yet enlist
voluntarily. I just don't get it. Perhaps they are just getting what they
can, while they are able.
Phil #3