R. Steve Walz wrote:
Marten Kemp wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Marten Kemp wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Marten Kemp wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Marten Kemp wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Kane wrote:
On May 8, 9:30 am, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
h wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in news:463E7860.15B5
@armory.com:
Any animal which kills defenseless humans in the open should be
eradicated from the earth and otherwise survive only in zoos.
The animal was already in captivity, and the "defenseless" human children
invaded its enclosure and were tormenting it. Sounds like a perfectly
reasonable and foreseeable outcome.
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Oh, I don't give a **** about the croc and the kids, but you don't
kill kids for torturing animals, and you kill animals who attempt to
kill kids. People are simply more valuable than animals.
And if you actually read the whole thread you'd grasp how we got here
from there.
Steve
Don't you support the concept of evolution according to Darwin, Steve?
Looks like a Darwin Award incident to me.
Sure, the kids were stupid, that's what kids are, stupid
It doesn't mean we shouldn't make OUR world safe for kids!
Does that mean we should make the world safe for the stupid?
Face it, both kids and the stupid have almost infinite
cunning when it comes to Darwinizing themselves and trying
to protect them from the world is an exercise in frustration
and futility.
This sort of misunderstanding of Darwin is the root of your kind of
social "Darwinism", and actually it's unrelated to anything he wrote.
Think of it as evolution in action. Every incidence of
self-Darwinization removes a little more stupidity from
the gene pool.
That's just it, that's not the way that Evolution works!
To the extent that there's a genetic component of
intelligence, someone stupidly removing themselves
from the gene pool increases the average intelligence.
But now, unfortunately for your argument, Evolutionary survival has
a lot more to do with group cooperative functional facility, and not
at all with intelligence or anything any individual does
Yeah, it's not a competition among the members of the
population, but Darwinizing oneself shows a marked
unfitness for the ecological niche.
No, in fact, such sacrificial outliers which mortalize can strongly
benefit a socially mnemonic group by their contribution to group
knowledge, effectively INCREASING group survivability!
"Socially mnemonic group?" What the hell is that?
A group that communicates and remembers socially.
Oh, okay.
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Uh. Alright.
I think you're saying that the survival prospects of the
group are enhanced by the negative examples of the stupid
removing themselves from the gene pool for the edification
and amusement of the rest.
That may be a feature, or a bug. But it is important not to
denigrate those whose curiosity gets them to do self-destructive
things, because their sacrifice increases speciel survivability
NOT merely by negative xample, but POSITIVELY by the information
they retrieve in such an activity, that could NOT be gleaned any
other way! In other words, a species can be MORE survivable if
they utlize sacrifice players!
This is true, as is the fact
that the stupid or unthinking don't pay attention to the
negative examples and go on to Darwinize themselves in the
same way.
You're with great misunderstanding mis-using the term "Darwin"-ize
and failing to grasp that a species may STRONGLY increase its
survivability precisely by the use of sacrifice players.
This can be the MAJOR advantage of our group sociality.
Only if the rest of the group pays attention.
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Fait acompli, you sure did.
The stupid or
unthinking don't, and pay the price for it. Which improves
the group's intelligence.
There are no "unthinking". And sacrifice players are ALWAYS useful,
so even the "less-thinking" are useful to those remaining.
In the way that the unwary are useful to the remainder
while crossing a minefield?
... Remember to chant "Pie Jesu domine, dona eis requiem" whenever you
do that.
-- Peter Gutmann
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This was what the nut-fringe group of monks were chanting in Monty
Python and the Holy Grail, as they walked by in line beating themselves
in the head with stone tablets! It means, in Latin, Sweet Lord Jesus,
Give Them Peace! (BAng two tablets on your head and call me in the
morning!)
Yeah, and did you read the rest of the .sig?
Yeah, it was not appropros.
It was in connection with the cabling of SCSI devices,
which is one of those Black Arts of the Computer Realm.
Never mind, I didn't expect you to get it.
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-- Marten Kemp
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.... When you go home to your shining galaxy, say that what
you learned from this dead and barren place is to beware
the righteous ones.
--Philip Appleman "Last-Minute Message for a Time Capsule"
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