"Kane" wrote in message
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On 11 Aug 2003 09:49:38 -0700, (Steph) wrote:

Kane,

You make interesting points.

I know. I'm inspired. Look at my motivation.

I appreciate the fact that you look from
both sides.

A few here are not in agreement with you. That suggests something of a
conflict of honesty. You have it, they don't.

I tend to do that myself.

I've noticed.

Can I ask you to take a deep breath and stop to think about something
for a minute?

Of course you can ask me. I wonder what I'll do at that time.

Would it not be possible to make the same points, and take the same
views, without all the swearing and name calling?

No, actually it wouldn't.

You place inordinate and mistaken, I would wager, meaning to my
swearing and name calling.

Fern and Doug are both just as valuable to this NG as you yourself.

A matter of opinion. They are not, as far as I can tell, "able to look
from both sides." That considerably diminishes their value in debate
and on reform.

I firmly believe they have not revealed their actual agenda. They
stink of a hidden one.

Calling them plants,

A very nice foster mother, Mrs Kite, doing exceptional work with
children, got tired one day of The Plant's nonsense attacks on her and
other foster parents, and the inordinate lengths The Plant would go to
to defend abusive and neglectful parents.

She coined the term, Plant. I found it amusing at first, then when I
thought about it, highly symbolic of the postings The Plant makes.

I honor Mrs Kite's sacred memory, though as far as I know she is still
living, by also recognizing The Plant actually has and makes less
sense than a piece of wood most of the time. You need to google here
and consider her stream of posts, content, and if you can fathom it,
intent.

snakes,

I am deeply sorry and I apoligize. Snakes have some very important
uses and a valuable ecological niche.

Annoucement:

Too all snakes, their lizard and salamador kin, I humble and sincerely
beg your pardon.

creeps,

Sorry. Those that I so strongly suspect of having a hidden agenda
deserve the title. They are creeping about, hiding what they are
actually after. That is what a "creep" does.

Some research and some analysis of their posts both in content and
process strongly suggest they are not telling the truth about what
they are up to.

etc

Alex, I'll take "etc" for 5,000 please.

only takes away from your own
credibility.

I haven't the least concern about my "credibility" here. Those who
know me, and are open and honest with their intent, and have the wit
to know how important these issues are, have little trouble with my
"credibility" nor I with theirs.

Some of them don't care for my swearing but then I'm not about
pleasing people. Helping, educating, supporting, yes. And often I do
NOT please people I offer my service to. But they take it
nevertheless.

In the end they come to understand. A few that have come here have as
well.

When I read your well thought out answers I'm impressed.

When I reread them I do succumb to admiring a well turned phrase of
mine. I am modest enough to blush, but intelligent enough to give it
an objective evaluation. Other's are too hastily written. I have a
finite amount of time.

Then I come
upon the insults, and I think "Gee, this guy is a moron".

Name calling? Tsk.

Are you that easily provoked to retaliate? Hmmmm. Something for YOU to
think about.

Your loss. Your inability to look beyond words to another's intent and
meaning. It's something you'll learn more of as you age. You are
actually doing pretty well from what I've seen of you here.

The last
thought tends to make me dismiss whatever else you had to say.

You only think you do. You'll remember it when you need it.

There was a sound in your youth. Maybe a child's cry in the distance.
Or the sound of a song, or a train, or someone saying two words to
you, that you think you have forgotten.

The right trigger brings it up though. Remember?

Just something to think about.

There's always something to think about.

I've thought this issue entirely to it logical conclusions. I don't
share those usually. I won't here.

I'll continue to swear and name call. I guess you'll be left to do
what ever it is you wish to with that.

--Steph

Or as I often say to folks that haven't mounted a sufficient argument
to persuade me, Go **** up a rope...r r r r

Just kidding.

Kane

Some kids worsen in state care, and some improve immensely. Most do
the latter.

CPSWatch watcher


Some more, are alive! See:
http://starbulletin.com/2003/06/01/news/story1.html

http://starbulletin.com/1999/08/11/news/story6.html

and:
http://starbulletin.com/98/10/08/news/story1.html

There are no statistics on the amount of children who are killed by parents
and kin who may yet be alive had intervention taken place and the child
placed in a safer environment.

Further, of course many children's conditions worsen. They were in really
bad shape due to the abuse and neglect that they suffered as a result of
their bio parent's behavior and actions when they were taken into custody.

Are there any statistics that reflect a corollary as to how many people were
charged with a crime in connection with treating animals poorly as opposed
to parents doing the exact same thing to a tiny human?

Mahalo, pohakuyakokane,

K.