"0:-]" wrote in message

For some, myself and one other person really being my only data points, it
is not super easy to let the habits and thoughts born of your formative
years with your own upbringing go. You have to continually nudge a tad to
stay on track when habits of old try to reestablish themselves.

As hard as stopping smoking, nail biting? If it's that hard, we have a
tough sell. 0;]



Why? Speaking just for myself and only about Americans, we have turned into
lame ass lazy people in many regards. Are people really motivated to do
what's *easy* over whats *right?* I caaaaaaaan't whine, whine. Pet peeve of
mine.


I'd hate to think that someone that is spanking would presume that
it's TOO hard for them.

Most folks have some idea of their mental capacity, and try to stay
inside those limits. Hence, if they were using spanking, they might
assume by "hard" meaning too hard for them.



OR they might understand that not spanking, does not make positive
discipline. Lots of people misconceive that "positive" discipline is the
equivalent to a sort of happy horse**** non-discipline.

I used to presume that was an honest rebuttal by people that were
thinking as a parent and possibly willing to consider other methods.
It finally occurred to me that here, in aps, that it was just
"debaters" looking to keep the argument going.

Very shallow of them. And deserving of the whipping they often got
here.

I certainly don't
mean to attempt to get people to shy away from it as too hard. But it
requires *thought* and not simple reaction in the moment. A forward
thinking
game plan, if you will.

Eventually it does become as second nature as the impulse to spank.
Especially as the payoffs begin to show.


Indeed.