On Jun 26, 4:41 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:04:22 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

On Jun 26, 3:00 pm, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:44:34 -0700, Greegor
wrote:

What a relief for the agency!
Instead of approving and protecting a complete friggin mental case
for ten years, they approved and protected a friggin
CRIMINAL CHILD ABUSER because they see Fosters
as their allies.

Kane wrote
Greg, prove they KNEW.

The legal term is "KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN".

And should have known does not mean what you think it does.

I could easily ACCUSE YOU OF HAVING SHOULD HAVE KNOWN Greg, but that
does not mean that you were negligent or evil in any way.

It means there should have been some way for the system to track and
or recover information...that does not exist.

This avoids a lot of deniability for the agencies.

The syntax of that sentence is totally pucked, Greg.

16 abuse reports and you want to pose like they didn't KNOW?

I don't need to pose. I can read.

Are you wishing to claim they KNEW OF THE ABUSE AND TOLERATED IT
BECAUSE THEY ARE EVIL?



Hah!

Hah, back atcha, Greg. You have this delusion that CPS workers are
evil villains, Greg.

How is it they simply, when they KNEW the last time, they didn't just
leave her there? For more torture?



Don't you think it takes a complete SICKO to poke a kids
eyes with needles?

Yep. And you have claimed WE can't tell an abused child when we see
one.

Well if we can't, then surely CPS can't tell an abuser when they see
one. That's why they investigate.

Now what were the results of their investigations?

The girl denied everything, until this most recent assault. Or have
you forgotten that?

You who claim children lie but CPS believes them.

This story doesn't refute that!

Greg, it shows that what you or I believe about children is NOT the
issue. FACTS are.

The fact is the child gave plausible excuses for her injuries.

Until the end.



She lied (under threat) and CPS believed her.

Yep. And? Why would CPS NOT believe her? Because they are evil
monsters that want children tortured?



But 16 abuse reports from all kinds of people??

No, not "from all kinds of people."

Read the story.

How come the Foster application process didn't
catch somebody sick enough to poke needles
into a kids eyes?

Where on the app does it ask, "do you stick needles in children's
eyes?"

Do they need to make that a question on the
Foster application form?

Nope. The system puckered up, Greg. Aren't you satisfied knowing that
and wouldn't you like it to improve?

CPS makes things worse not better.
This abuser was a FOSTER CONTRACTOR!

How did it make things worse in this case, Greg? What would YOU have
done to uncover this criminal that CPS COULD LEGALLY DO?

Go ahead. Show us. I've asked you before, and continue to rant but NOT
provide YOUR solution.



Did you read the Newstribune's comment on short of staff, overloaded
workers?

16 abuse reports from many reporters swept under
the rug and this is all you can come up with?

How were they swept under the rug, Greg, if in fact the girl was
interviewed for many of them and DENIED THE ABUSE? And claimed
injuries from other sources?

What you are doing is what the author of the article did. It's called
"second guessing." It's very easy to ASSUME after the horrific details
are finally available, that someone did something wrong.

The ONLY person that did anything wrong was the foster caretaker.

"Do you ever feel compelled to do sadistic things to children?"

You'd be surprised what questions they are asked during the home study
process.

Is it the same sort of home study I've seen for the kin here?

You aren't allowed to see a home study, Greg. You are making things up
again. Even Lisa would not be allowed to see it. It is between the
agency and the subjects, and I've a surprise for you even there. Very
few states will allow the SUBJECT OF THE HOMESTUDY to actually see it.

It's a decision making tool for the agency, not the person studied.

First one didn't even mention the PROZAC!

And how did YOU manage to SEE this home study, Greg?

Second one barely mentioned Prozac, didn't address the
way Prozac was being taken UNRELIABLY, and the
home study idiot let the form become a platform for
a raging mental case to make wild impossible accusations!

You are very likely lying again, Greg. It is highly unlikely that you
OR Lisa would be privy to a home study, especially on someone else.

Even the subject of the study is NOT given a copy.

Clearly the "home study" is not reasonable, impartial,
investigative or done to protect children.

Really? Post it here. I'll judge that for myself, if you don't mind.
Your judgement seems colored by your EIOTGMS.

It's more of a political tool, subject to
being completely warped to serve agency interests.

Which would be?

Greg, unless I'm mistaken, the child provided NO federal funding for
CPS. At best it COST the state to place the child...as the most she'd
be eligible for would be a very small foster subsidy. And that is NOT
allowed to be funded by Title IV-E unless the child comes from an
indigent family...below a certain level of income with a lot of
community services in place to replace income the family does not
have, to pay for it themselves.

You folks been lying about this issue for a very long time.



"Do you ever have the urge to stick needles into a childs eyes?"

Gosh, I did not read ahead but managed to predict you would ask that.

Just imagine the law suits they could avoid!

They cannot avoid "lawsuits." In this country you can bring a suit for
just about anything you wish.

Which BUREAUCRAT thought they were helping the
agencies by dead ending the 16 reports of abuse?

You are lying, if you read the article. Until the very end, when the
woman was caught, the little girl, out of fear, lied for her.

16 abuse reports from all over and you think that clinches it?

Yep.

Even a CASEWORKER knew this one stunk,
but the SUPERVISION wanted it dead ended.

Why? The foster parent was her lesbian lover, Greg?

Who was this "supervision" you refer to?

And what profit would there be in dead ending the case?

Just a sadist that likes to think that children are being tortured?

Is that what you believe?

This is the same kind of behavior that bio-parents that neglect and
abuse do, Greg.

If a parent had 16 abuse reports coming from 10 different places
I think they might be looked at a bit more AGGRESSIVELY than
this Foster was!

On the contrary, Greg, just such things have happened and you were
among the early passengers on the bandwagon screaming how CPS failed
the child.

Particularly if they were as BELLIGERANT as this Foster was.

Nope. Got nothing to do with it, and the foster parent was not
particularly belligerent until the very end of her game.

Learn to read and remember.

Oh wait, if you remembered accurately you could not lie. Or could you?

I notice you seem all too ready to forgive or excuse them, but are
having a "Alien" thrashing fit because it's a foster parent.

Do you honestly believe that CPS wants children hurt like this?

In my family's case they committed PERJURY to make a case.

I asked you a question. Are you planning on answering?

They used a placement who was a mental case taking Prozac
unreliably.

The grandfather was not present in the home? How about the girl's
father himself? Was he not available for respite, or even living
there?

When they got caught with their ass hanging out
they actively worked to conceal their own faults even after
it was way too late.

Back to Greg's EIOTGMS.

They maintained a case they KNEW was
based on a huge LIE.

Huge lie? When the subject of the claim has an admitted history of
being present when someone else's little girl is showering, and in
fact creating situations, like cold showers for punishment, TO BE
PRESENT?

Their mental case caretakers even
got belligerant, LIED TO THEM and went AWOL out of state
with the kid and they minimized, ignored and covered up like crazy.

Both the g'pa and g'ma are mentally ill?

I thought g'pa's judgement was pretty sound, and apparently so did the
judge that gave him a slap on the wrist...probably a grand parent him
or herself, I'd bet.

We TOLD THEM the grandma was having VASCULAR DEMENTIA

Greg, if your performance when you "told," ( you would be better to
say "accused, screeched, blamed, and ranted") was up to the standards
of truth and accuracy you display here I'm not the least surprised
that you were not believed.

and they strongly resisted having her checked for that.

The court resisted? Checked how?

A psych eval?

You wanted one for g'ma, though YOU, an unrelated male, living ALONE
with this child while mother was at work, REFUSED TO HAVE A PSYCH
EVAL?

Years later we find out in court that she
had "VASCULAR DEMENTIA" whaddya know?!

So any family that has a member of the family with "VASCULAR DEMENTIA"
should have CPS come and remove the children of that family. Is that
what you mean?

Or should it be only grandparents that don't care for the sit on his
ass for three years on "Sabbatical" shower room attendant boyfriend
mom moved into the home?



They knowingly endangered the child.

So any family that has a member of the family with "VASCULAR DEMENTIA"
should not be allowed to have children in that home because it would
be endangering the children?

Do I understand your argument correctly, or is it just THIS family,
and no others that must meet your standard, or CPS is knowingly
endangering the child?

They place the needs of their own ass above
the needs of any mere child client.

I think they made a choice of the lesser of two evils, and rather than
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And what about mommie? The first person to fail this child. Her drug
use was more important to her than her own baby. The little sweetheart
was given away like a mongrel puppy. greg, ask Lisa to explain this to
us,what does it feel like to offer your own daughter up for abuse and
torture. What does she tell herself to make it all okay?

Firemonkey