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Old August 7th 08, 10:16 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
joe
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Default When discipline becomes confused with punishment

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:22:41 -0400, Ron
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"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:25:37 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

== Child's death 'work of the devil'
==
== A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year
==
== Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM
==
== Joanna Smith
== Staff Reporter
==
== Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak
her
== long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after
learning
== her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.
==
== "I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting
in
a
== coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a
group
== of close friends.
==
== "She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
== already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."
==
== As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along
the
== sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
== daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
== Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.
==
== Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed
into
== her arms.
==
== About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at
the
== front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
== where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had
pulled
== her into a car and tried to calm her.
==
== Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment
shortly
== after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
== regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
== food.
==
== The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for
quite
== some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
== contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said
at
== a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.
[...]

==1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of
abuse.
==Child abuse. Learn the difference.

Bull****. There is no difference between deliberately
causing a child pain in the name of discipline and
abuse, except in the minds of assholes who want
to excuse the damage they do to the children in their
care.


Nice opinion, now prove your point.


If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.


Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you would
have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that are
used for the same problem. Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.
Read Heinleins Star Ship Troopers for more info.


Info on what - warmongering racist fascism as a childrearing technique?
Do you ever even ponder the depths of your stupidity?
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