Kane writes:

How can anyone miss that they have for years been under threats by the
feds all over the US? Some have even been taken over by the courts and
I'M NOT HEARING OF GREAT FEATS OF IMPROVEMENT.

Hi, Kane!

Yes, increasingly, federal courts are taking over foster care systems
throughout the country because of the agency's consistent refusal to
consider reforming on their own. The results have been mixed.

The Feds set up a carrot and concealed the stick, then waved it
around, now they are applying it....and the fix was in from the start
for CPS to fail.

What sort of fix? What was the carrot? What is the stick?

the 90' marked one of he bleakest periods in the drug scene, where
everyone and their brother was setting up meth labs in their kitchen
or basement. Drug use increased hugely in those years. And children's
parents were drug users and makers.

Perhaps one of the problems during that period was that state workers may
have actually assumed that "everybody and their brother" was manufactoring
methamphetamine. Such a generalization and contempt prior to investigation
could have made it very tough for the children of everyone and their
brother.

The Department has conducted 24 pilot tests of an outcomes-based
monitoring system and has published proposed regulations that draw
substantially on the lessons from those pilots. We currently are
reviewing public comments on the regulations and intend to publish a
final rule before the end of this year.
As a result of federal financial assistance, technical support, and
clear accountability that includes phased-in penalties, states are now
collecting and able to report much more timely and accurate data on
foster care and adoptions. Reporting on child abuse and neglect also
has improved considerably, as a result of both financial and technical
assistance. "

What do you think "consultation with the field" means? They had coffee
together once in 14 years?

What you cut and pasted is a discussion about how the feds sought out state
input in designing the criteria for the audits that were conducted the past
three years. It took that long from theory to practice. The process, as
your cut and paste explains, was to go to the states for input and then
print proposed quidelines in the Federal Register. States further commented
on the published criteria, and the feds then went back to draft revisions,
which were again published in the Federal Register.

Let folks read a few things like the following and you and they will
see why CPS is "failing," and in many instances only by a hair's
breadth on a few of the 7 criteria...ignoring of course all the OTHER
measures, like the their holding the line as abuse and they
horrendousness of the KINDS of abuse when up...even bringing some of
it down over the years.

Responding to abuse reports and keeping children safe is among the
components in one of the 7 groupings of criteria.

YOU ARE A ****ING LOW LIFE SCUM SUCKING LIAR...GOT THAT?

LOL! No beef?

You want me to cite all the lying **** filled destroy CPS posts on
this very newsgroup and then ALL OF YOURS showing you pat these ****s
on the head and congratulate them for posting biased media reports,
and ignoring all the good CPS does do?

Go **** yourself.

A biophysical impossibility, I am told.


Linepeople following current policy and enmeshed in systemic
dysfunction are
making grave errors that injure the very children they are mandated to
protect.

Propaganda. There is no world in which mistakes are not made, and
people injured. This is the infamous strawman. How could anyone
disagree with you.

Line people following ANY policy are ENMESHED in systematic
dysfunction because NO system is perfect or even much better than
stumbling along. Especially CPS with the crippling they have always
worked under.

A dysfunctional system is in far worse shape than simply being imperfect.

Child abuse and neglect are ugly nasty horrible things to
witness...and the public wants it fixed without having to witness it.
They want it done fast and they want it done cheap and they don't want
to to see it or pay for it.

I disagree. The public is paying billions for it. Citizens have a right to
expect their employees to do their jobs in a way that does not injure
children. At the very least, they should, "at first, do no harm."

Lela
Costin, Leroy Pelton, Duncan Lindsey, Phillip Schwartz, Howard Karger,
Richard Gelles, Susan Orr, and others. Each of these authors have
written
reform packages that call for police to assume the role of
investigating
child abuse and neglect. Dr. Pelton, in an exhaustive work in 1989;
Dr.
Lindsey in an equally lengthy book in 1993; Dr. Costin, et al in 1996,
Susan
Orr in 1998, Richard Gelles in 2000 and Dr. Swartz in 2001."

If all that is left, smartass, is CPS doing social work with volunary
clients, they will be doing nothing as all the parents will be in
jail. Do you really think the levels of abuse are going to diminish?

There are other tasks left to do after police do investigation...like social
work.


What sort of
"powerful inhibitors" are you talking about? What specific actions do
you
put in that category? Without knowing what you are addressing, I have
no
way of knowing if I advocated for taking them away or not.

The threat of loss of their children would qualify. Don't you think?

And that threat goes away, under what you advocate and I just posted,
UNTIL THE CHILD IS DEAD OR SO INJURED THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE.

The trouble is that when the state threatens parents with removal of their
children, it becomes necessary to use the "hammer" and remove children when
parents don't jump through hoops in the right way. This is precisely what
leads to an overcrowded and abusive foster care system. Children should not
be removed from their homes -- or threatened to be removed -- to force
parents to accept a government "service" (sanction).

Children with liberty interests in living peacefully with their families
are
being forcibly removed from their homes under the color of law and
forcibly
confined in state custody.

Under color of law MEANS BY LEGAL MEANS...you little evil twit.

Precisely.

"forcibly confined" R R R R .... They are FORCIBLY CONFINED then with
their parents. Anyone that is their caregiver is FORCIBLY confining
them, even the day care centers and public schools. What an evil
******* you are.

Incorrect. Children generally want to live in their homes with their
parents and their siblings. Have you ever asked them?

More than 74% of them are confined with
strangers in various types of structures.

Gee, what happend to "incarcerated?"

IN some states as many as 50% are with relatives, some of whom
themselves kill or injure them. Stop the ****ing lies by misleading
and misdirection.

The average is 24% nationwide. What states have 50%?

Basically you are the same kind of mindless twit that bobb is. You
just are better educated hence better able to conceal your sickness
and bigotry.

bobb is not a "mindless twit." To the contrary, he is a thoughtful member
of this group who makes it a habit to write posts that encourage us to think
about the issues. He does disagree with you on occassion, which is why you
call him names.

Nonetheless, you have a great day, sir!

Doug