On 12 May 2004 05:04:55 GMT,
(CrystalRGarcia74) wrote:

Subject: Anser it, Fern! was Nurse's mistakes may mean
child abusers
From: Ivan Gowch
Date: 5/11/2004 12:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time
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On 11 May 2004 06:38:41 GMT,
(CrystalRGarcia74) wrote:

[snip]

==That was because they were ABUSED and KILLED not because they
were
SPANKED!

In virtually every case, parents who abuse and/or
kill their children started out by "spanking" them.

You cannot eliminate child abuse without first
eliminating the idea that it is OK for adults to
deliberately hurt children for "correction," under
any circumstances.

That is what is wrong with kids these days

Oddly, other than the usual folly of human beings, you have no proof
for such an accusation. The ancient romans and greeks made similar
comments about their youth too. In fact I doubt, beyond a few very
advanced but sequestered civilizations, that are primitive cultures,
nearly every society has been afraid of youth in this way.

It's kind of dumb...especially when one knows the facts about our
current crop of kids.

and that is why they get away with
the crap that they get away with

The only "crap" I see them getting away with is the same "crap" I and
my buddies got away with in the 50's when I was a kid. Believe it or
not, we drank, smoked (I hear some even smoked weed) and got girls
pregnant every chance we got.

Nice bunch of kids too.

because people like you tell them that they
are being abused!

The truth shall make them free, so the saying goes. It's overdue. Our
own country, at this very moment, is being run by people that have at
least 90% of them coming from families that spank.

It is extremely hard to find a human that was raised kindly without
violence and coersion that is violent themselves. Ever notice that?

I guess a thanks goes out to you and people like you for
*uck*&% up our youth!

No, actually the thanks is due to you and your kind.

It's the "spanked" child that most populates the prisons and mental
health child treatment centers. It also is the "spanked" child that
one finds in out of home foster care because their parents thought
spanking meant something else.

There would be no alt.parenting.spanking ng if it were not for the
ills to humankind derived from the practice of brutal parenting that
is so universal in this and other "civilized" countries.

The problem with spanking is that there is no known level of it, no
matter how gentle, that does not have some risk to the child...and it
certainly is a risk to the perpetrator. It excuses in their mind their
lack of skill and any desire to learn to parent more effectively.

You are welcome to your opinion, but don't kid yourself that spanking
makes children behave without serious consequences to humankind.



--
The danger to the life and well-being of children
increases in direct proportion to their proximity
to religion and its practitioners.
-Ivan Gowch

Those religions that support brutal child parenting are at fault.

Kane