"LK" wrote in message
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On Feb 25, 6:17 pm, "Ron" wrote:
"LK" wrote in message

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On Feb 23, 5:40 pm, "Ron" wrote:

"LK" wrote in message

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On Feb 22, 11:28 pm, LindaLouMom wrote:

I agree, Sometimes crazy stuff happens in fostercare. Although what
was the crazy stuff going on at home to have them takin in the first
place?
All the statistics you posted stated that children in foster care turn
out bad..well if the dam bio parents were doing the RIGHT thing (not
abusing the children, feeding them, protecting them) then these
children would not be in foster care. Therefore, the final blame rest
with the BIO-PARENTS..not anyone else. Of course fosterparents who
commit crazy acts as the one just discussed needs to be sentenced to
jail...

Just because the caseworkers pull children from their home does not
make the caseworks the bad people....they are ONLY trying to protect
them from the DANGER they face in their current home situation.
What a great example of the Self-Righteously Hypocritical mentality
that jusfifies babystealing and plagues the falsley accused easy
targets such as poor.
Here, allow me to enlighten you oh great loud opinion based on
ignorance person here. Visithttp://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com

Ron buddy. Long time no see.

*Same, new job, been real busy.




We know that you would not agree with that position, but then again you
do
seem to have issues with facts dont you.

No more then you do with the truth.

*Ahh, truth vs facts. We have discussed that here before (not you and I,
but I and others), and as usual I dont expect the concept to get through
to
anyone who cannot face the facts.

Ron buddy, Here's the problem with your facts. They are written and
interpreted in order to serve and support a particular point of view.
They are not at all objective.

*Its the numbers we have. I have often asked for a different set of numbers
from reputible sources but have not really seen anything. Would there be a
point in asking again? Would they be forthcoming? History says not, but my
mind remains open and I am willing to review what you or someone else may
provide. Reputiable sources please.

They mention how many kids they suspect were maltreated they mention
the various types of maltreatment suspected. They leave out other
relevent factors. For example, they count some children more then
once. If a child was reported more then once in that particular year,
that kid was counted twice. They don't tell you how many households
abuse has taken place in, because that would be a smaller number,
because some of these kids have siblings. So if 899,000 kids were
substantiated as abused, the number of abusers or households where
abuse had taken place would be compairatevely smaller based on the
number of children in a household. It is relevent because we should
be told how many abusers are out there. Also your facts state that
50.3% of abused children were girls and 47.7% were boys. That adds up
to 98% of abused children being boys or girls. What is the other two
percent? Based on 230 foster kids in 15 years, you should have seen
at least 4.6 of these by now.

*Again, its the numbers we have. Bring on something that refutes them and
we can discuss it.


Not to fear, there are more than
eough examples of **** poor parenting on both sides of the issue for
everyone.

Nobody's perfect.

*Agreed.


What about you Ron?

*Reading problems?

The difference is, when the parents fail to do their job the
child suffers. The same could be said for foster parents, but then again
if
the parents had not failed the children would not be in care.

Tell me again how that relieves this foster parent from responsibility
for his own actions?

*It does not.

Then what are you jumping in for with your bull****?

*Because you and a few others with a point of view based on anything but the
facts jumped in and spun things off into another region of the universe.
Someone has to get the facts out there, the actual and verifiable facts, and
with Kane no longer posting that pretty much leaves it up to me (when I find
the time that is).

What the parent
did to the child is irrelevent at this point. We are suspecting that
as a teacher lindalou or whatever her name is, would be able to see
these things that you and your extremest pro-cps views refuse too.

*"extremest pro-cps views". Hmmm, interesting. My my, how quickly the
ignorant are to make claims that have no basis in fact. I'd suggest that
you (once again) review my posting history, but I suspect that the
suggestion would once again fall on deaf ears.

Nor does it releave the parets from their original abuse or
some level of responsibility for all of the abuse that results from their
original actions.


The parent looses responsibility for what happens to the kid when they
loose the kid.

*Wrong. Legally, morally, and ethically you could not have stepped off of a
bigger cliff. But you will never recognize that, not with your extremest
anticps views.

The state takes over the responsibility for what
happens to the kid while they have control of the kid. It's as simple
as that Ron. If the parents are responsible for the kid entering
foster care then fine. They are responsible for the kid being in
foster care. Not what happens to the kid in foster care.

*Wrong again. If the parents had not done whatever they had done that got
the kid into care then the child would not have been in the position to have
done to it whatever was done, and therefore the parent maintains a level of
responsibility for that.

If the
foster parent shakes the kid and the kid is harmed from being shaken
by that foster parent, the foster parent is responsible for shaking
the kid. The real parent didn't shake the kid, nor did the real
parent choose the foster parents that the kid was shaken by. That was
the state who chose that foster parent for that child to be shaken
by.

*Let me see if I can make this clear.

*Each person is responsible for their own actions, and the ultimate results
of those actions. I dont relieve ANYONE of responsibility for their
actions, not one single person. Not bio parents, not foster, and certainly
not the state. No one gets a free ride.

Ron

You forgot your tag line.

*Got a new computer system for Christmas, just have not added it back in
yet. Not to sure I will to be honest, getting a bit tired of all the
jerking off with pangborn and his followers (read as "Leaches") so I dont
know if I will be getting back into those conversations. I'm a busy puppy
these days, and the new schedule is far beyond bizzare. Thats the price
one
pays for advancement I suppose.

Ron

So what are you like the great leader of all the foster parents now?

*Wouldn't even if I could. We foster parents are not a mob (I leave that to
you anti-cps folks), we are care providers. You should give that a try,
caring that is, it does wonders for the self esteem and makes for a good tax
write off if done properly.

Ron