LaVonne wrote
alternative forms of discipline

As in making child wash off pee with cold water
after discovering that happy warm guilt free showers
were causing the frequency of wetting at school
to INCREASE?
(Positive reinforcement of a negative behavior)?

Greg can't help but practice his lies.
He forced the little girl to take COLD SHOWERS...
unhappy cold guilt-ridden showers.

What LIE?
What you said and what I said are not mutually exclusive.

What are you going to do, remove all the Amish kids too?
Or will CPS run around making sure that everybody has
a water heater that holds a full 200 gallons so the
hot water doesn't run out? A fast cold shower to
wash off pee was enough to make her not want to
make it a daily event any more.

YOU, Greg, are the "Doktor."
Nope, I hold no PhD and never pretended I did. Did I LaVonne?

What qualifications do you have to determine that
cold showers are the appropriate punishment for
someone else's little girl wetting their pants?

OK, so as usual, in hindsight things could have been
done better. You know what "In Loco Parentis" means, Dan?
You overlooked the rest of the story, taking it out
of context. Tisky Tisky Dan. The showers didn't start
out cold, but the kid was liking them so much that
it worked as a positive reinforcement of a bad behavior.
Not ALL guilt is a bad thing, Dan.
Too much or too little guilt can be problematic.


Especially when YOU could be the reason she's
wetting her pants to begin with!

Then why would she do it at school, and why
would she honestly volunteer that she knew she
had to go, but didn't want to miss out on the
big fun in class?

Kids DO this, Dan.
This is not even a neurological problem.

What if a psychologist determined that all the
little girl needed to stop wetting her pants
was for you to get out of her life and out
of her home?

Then they would be wrong, because it wasn't
even a neurological problem. It was a kid
conciously holding it too long, and then
losing at the attempt. Perhaps laughing too hard.

Did you allow her to see a psych for a
professional opinion???

On what, holding their pee?

Those who object most strenuously to posts

Neal was talking about you, LaVonne!

You too, Dan! But you knew that.

Recently you demanded proof of me for something that
was WELL KNOWN, that every state CPS agency had
failed Federal Audits for compliance with regulations.

Greg, how many times do you ask questions whose
answers are already included in the very post
that you're responding to?

Well, I'm not the PhD claiming expertise yet
ignorant of crucial and BASIC facts about the
industry or political situation being discussed.

Sure, I screw up. I admit I do.
You seem to have some sort of disorder when
comes to that. You see such admissions as
failings and weakness. I do not.
I see them as honesty about human failings.

You take human failings and you turn them
into something like a political tirade.
You seem to cling to an illusion of your
own perfection and superiority through my
human failings. You seem obsessed with that.
For a guy with such a big EGO, that's
pretty small.

Repeated attempts to shame me, for example.
1st and 2nd time maybe, but the 10th or
30th time your are simply an abusive jackass.
I think you are an emotional cripple.

With all of your attempts to hurt me I got
stronger and more resolute. A long time ago
you were hurting yourself more than me, and
realized that way too late. Lately you
chatter chimp like one liners.

Dan, Just like your alter ego Kane,
you are your own worst enemy.