"Kenneth S." wrote in message
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My experience has been that people who use the kind of offensive
language that Elizabeth uses below are not amenable to logic. However,
for
the benefit of others I will point out that the current situation in the
U.S. is grotesquely skewed in favor of women.

Women have a range of post-conception reproductive choices, and
significant efforts are being made to enlarge those choices. A woman is
able
to choose unilaterally to have an abortion, to have the child but to take
advantage of newborn dropoff laws, to put the child up for adoption, or to
keep the child -- and bill the father, via "child support," for the choice
she has made.

Meantime, no effort is spared to deny men the choice that Nature has
given them -- that of walking away from unwanted pregnancies.

Furthermore, the suggestion that men can fix the problem by getting
custody is of course disingenuous. As a practical matter, custody
decisions
are made, not by laws or by judges, but by mothers. If they want custody,
they get it.

There are many people, including me, who think that, as a moral
matter,
women should never have been given some of their present post-conception
choices, notably infanticide through the repellent partial birth abortion
procedure. But so long as women made unilateral choices, they should bear
the sole responsibility for their own choices.

Gee, what a novel concept. Ya think?






"elizabeth" wrote in message
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On Apr 4, 10:34 am, "Chris" wrote:
"CafeWriter" wrote in message
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I've had enough. For all the men who got women pregnant and decided
to
become deadbeat fathers,

Men don't decide to become fathers; women make that decision; unless,
of
course, your definition of fatherhood begins at conception.

Men are free to get vasectomies before sex, they are free to use
condoms. Women can't get vasectomies nor decide to use condoms,
that's the man's choice. So you don't have as many choices as women,
too bad. If women had a method as cheap, safe, and effective as
vasectomy, that could be as easily reversed, if they could store ova
just by having an orgasm the way men can store sperm . .. well, there
wouldn't be many abortions at all.

But because most men feel entitled to sexual access, and feel that
it's not their problem if the woman gets pregnant, abortion will be
needed, far more often than it should.

you are not worth it.

Shame on you. That's why if a father does not pay child support or
help
the
mother out, then he is not truly a father that his child would know
but
rather a man who doesn't love his child.

Not paying cash to a child's mother says NOTHING about not loving said
child.

Bull****. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort
of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society
must support.

In fact, that's very sociopathic, not caring about your own
offspring. Maybe you realize your mother made the wrong choice on
abortion, and thus, don't want your offspring to have a chance?

Now geez that's probably part of the reason why some women chose
abortions;
they already knew that the men that got them pregnant wouldn't help
them
out.

Did you purposely decide to not answer my above question, or did you
simply
overlook it?

So what's your beef, mad about paying child support?
Well, why not get custody and make her pay you?