"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:25:37 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

== Child's death 'work of the devil'
==
== A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year
==
== Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM
==
== Joanna Smith
== Staff Reporter
==
== Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak
her
== long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after learning
== her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.
==
== "I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting in
a
== coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a group
== of close friends.
==
== "She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
== already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."
==
== As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along
the
== sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
== daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
== Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.
==
== Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed into
== her arms.
==
== About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at the
== front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
== where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had
pulled
== her into a car and tried to calm her.
==
== Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment shortly
== after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
== regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
== food.
==
== The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for quite
== some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
== contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said at
== a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.
[...]

==1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of abuse.
==Child abuse. Learn the difference.

Bull****. There is no difference between deliberately
causing a child pain in the name of discipline and
abuse, except in the minds of assholes who want
to excuse the damage they do to the children in their
care.

Nice opinion, now prove your point.


If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.

Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you would
have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that are
used for the same problem. Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.
Read Heinleins Star Ship Troopers for more info.


==2. Spastic advocacy is not going to help your cause. Moderate your
==personal feelings with common sense and wise words.

I don't take advice from douchebag apologists for
child abuse.

You should take advice from someone, your current tact is less than
effective and only serves to make you look like some form of spastic idiot
with an agenda that you cannot credibility support.


==3. You have raised 3 kids. Congrats. I have raised 235.

Sure you have.

==I'm not Dr.
==Spock either, he's an idiot,

Dr. Benjamin Spock is the most renowned name in
the science of baby and child care, and you are a
douchebag apologist for child-beating.
Gee, I wonder who has more credibility?

==I use CP when its
==appropriate,

What you mean is, you hurt children when doing so
will make YOU feel good. You are apparently a sadist
and an incompetent care-giver and I hope someone is
watching you carefully.

Another nice opinion, supported with rhetoric and no facts. Not all that
unexpected really, but certainly as foolish as the rest of your statements.
Congratulations, you have tripped over the edge into fanaticism.


Clearly, you are a danger to any child unfortunate
enough to be within your foul reach.

Better myself than someone like you. My children learn that there are
consequences for their actions, and I dont wait until society imposes those
consequences for them to learn the lesson. You advocate for non-CP
parenting, ok, and therefore you must also advocate for psychological
parenting. This form of parenting is a direct cause of our societies ills,
rampant teen crime, growing child abuse rates, a general failure to accept
responsibility for one's own actions, all of it. Again congratulations, you
are one of the reasons that our society is coming apart at the seams.

Ron