Parent/child is the same as owner/slave! Hey, let's give each child 40
acres and a mule! Logic and the anti-spanking zealotS... ;-)

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote:

Greg Hanson wrote:

As a pro-spanker I respect your choice not to,
but I am very leery of people like Kane who
are anti-spanking and zealots about it.

This is like saying "As a slave-owner I respect your choice not to own
slaves, but I am very leery of people like Kant who are anti-slavery and
zealots about it."

Until there is irrefutable and convincing
evidence, (No more Sweden or UN garbage)
it all comes down to the parent making their
OWN choice.

Until there is irrefutable and convincing evidence (No more non-slave
states and government garbage) it all comes down to landowners making
their OWN choice.

Personally I think being against spanking is
fine, but that no parent should ever be told
they must never under any circumstances spank.
In other words, "never say never".

Personally I think being against slavery is fine, that that no landowner
should every be told that under any circumstances should they ever be
able to own a slave. In other words, never say never.

Kane and LaVonne represent a sort of
socialist totalitarianism that would remove
perogative and choice, replacing it with
bureaucratic absolutism.

Kane and I, and many others, abhor the idea that children may be
physically assaulted in the name of discipline, while every member of US
society over the age of 18 enjoy protection from physical assault for
any reason.

And the police still carry batons! ;-)

Doan

There was a time in US history when the arguments you use against
legally banning spanking was used to support slavery, to support spousal
abuse, and to support the position that women could not own property or
vote. These positions were challenged in court, and wars were fought
over these positions. Guess what, Greg? Slavery is now illegal,
spousal abuse is now llegal (including spousal rape) and women can vote.

There will come a time in the US that children are also protected.

LaVonne