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Old August 25th 07, 03:17 PM posted to alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,ca.politics,misc.kids.health
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Default Women in Government, Merck's Trojan Horse: Part Three in a Series on the Politics and PR of Cervical Cancer

On Aug 24, 8:13 pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
ince Myrl Jeffcoat jumped into the Murky Merck Propaganda ... she has
made various claims about the reported deaths. Four direct quotes are
below. I fully disagree with your "simple math" claims ... neither the
true risks nor the true benefits are known ...

www.BreastimplantAwareness.org/myrl.htmlwrote:
The information I have gathered has come from reliable sources. Not from Merck.


Thank you for admitting that Merck is not a reliable source.

You keep mentioning "9" deaths linked to Gardasil in the United
States.

The VAERS base lists seven ...http://tinyurl.com/27umst

Please cite your "reliable sources" regarding the other reported two
deaths in the United States.

Thank you. Below are 3 confusing quotes direct from Myrl's confusing
postings.

http://groups.google.co.cr/group/mis...e_thread/threa...

Myrl Jeffcoat Speak :
"Are you having issues with a sum-total that comes from subtracting 9
from 250,000?. . .Or is it that it makes it more difficult to paint
lipstick on your pig?"

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Myrl Speaketh Again:
Again folks!. . .There are reports of 9 "possible" deaths from
Gardasil. 250,000 die from Cervical Cancer each year.

250,000 - 9 = 249,991

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MyrlSpeak:
She's so focused on bashing the idea that a
vaccine may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths, that she is
reluctant to do the math. . .250,000 - 7 = 243,000 possible lives
saved!


Lets correct the math
"NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Aug 24 - A prophylactic vaccine against
human papillomavirus (HPV) types 16 and 18 has the potential for
preventing at least half the cases of invasive cervical cancer and
high-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions worldwide, investigators
report in the August 1st issue of the International Journal of
Cancer.

Dr. Jennifer S. Smith, of the University of North Carolina, Chapel
Hill, and colleagues conducted a meta-analysis of HPV type
distribution worldwide in 14,595 cases of invasive cervical cancer
(ICC) and 7,094 cases of high-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions
(HSIL).'" and she found... " The HPV 16/18 prevalence was 52% in
HSIL." HSIL is the best surrogate for cancer.

Corrected amount 125,000 lives possibly saved
In US 1500 a year in Canada 200 maximum possible.
Has that reduction been proven .No .So far the studies show a no
decrease in stage 3 lesions the best surrogate for cancer and a 17%
reduction in stage 2 lesions . So the best marker stage 3 lesions has
not been decreased . How effective is it? Could it reduce cancer rates
by 40%? Maybe. ; could it have no effect absolutely.
One thing is sure its risk and benefit ratio is unproven. That's why
many Doctors with no vested interest have urged that it not be
mandated. One things for sure it will be expensive

Thanks Vince