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Once upon a time....
....on a newsgroup on spanking posters in favor and apologists would
insist that they knew the line between spanking and abuse. I asked a simple question. Were is the line. So far, no workable answer. A lot of evasion. A lot of harrassment. But no real answer. Where, folks that believe in spanking is the line that will ensure the child is safe, but your spanking will be effective discipline, eh? And how is it with this claim that there are so many different definitions of how hard, with what, spanking can be done and we would presume the spanker has no intent to injure? Nearly every child abuser claims they were just disciplining... when they are caught. 0:- |
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Once upon a time....
http://www.repeal43.org/news3.html
Oct 15/03 Letter to Vancouver Sun Spanking kids: A precursor of abuse or a necessary tool? UN should focus on real problems for children, Letter, Oct. 9 As a retired professor of social work at the University of B.C. with more than 30 years of experience in child welfare, I can assure the public that corporal punishment is indeed a real problem. We have numerous incidents here in B.C. and across Canada where spanking has gotten out of hand, and resulted in the physical abuse of children. The research is in on this issue and it is clear. Research shows that most child abuse stems from a belief in corporal punishment. I'll quote just one study, the Canadian Incidence Study, which was considered one of the most thorough studies of its kind in the world. It was based on 7,672 child welfare investigations from 51 sites in all provinces and territories. The researchers examined four areas of abuse (physical, sexual, emotional and neglect). The findings revealed that substantiated cases of physical abuse consisted of: inappropriate punishment (69 per cent of physical abuse cases); shaken baby syndrome (one per cent); and other forms of physical abuse (3l per cent). Section 43 has been in our Criminal Code since our criminal law was first codified in l892. It is based on English common law that allowed corporal punishment of wives, servants, apprentices and children. The only one that is still legal is the corporal punishment of children. Condoning corporal punishment contributes to violence in our society and is contrary to both the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child. Other civilized countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Austria and Norway have all abolished corporal punishment. The majority of Canadians now support repealing Section 43. The timing is right to join these countries. Those of us who have supported the repeal of this section for many years, have heard all the arguments from those who believe in spanking children. Many of them like to boast that their parents spanked them, and look how great they turned out! Betty Carter, Vancouver |
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Once upon a time....
The question has been answered "numerous times". It is called the "reasonable person" standard. Doan On 2 Nov 2005 wrote: ...on a newsgroup on spanking posters in favor and apologists would insist that they knew the line between spanking and abuse. I asked a simple question. Were is the line. So far, no workable answer. A lot of evasion. A lot of harrassment. But no real answer. Where, folks that believe in spanking is the line that will ensure the child is safe, but your spanking will be effective discipline, eh? And how is it with this claim that there are so many different definitions of how hard, with what, spanking can be done and we would presume the spanker has no intent to injure? Nearly every child abuser claims they were just disciplining... when they are caught. 0:- |
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Once upon a time....
Yes, the problem is reality.
Anyone not out of touch with it knows that the number of variables, and the great difficulty one would have testing them, precludes there being any such line. Even the law cannot, with assurance say where it is, thus there are trials in individual cases. It's not like getting a speeding ticket. If the sign says 25 and you are going 26 you did in fact cross the line. Must the line for children be some arbitrary guess by the parent? It's not for me. And it's not for you. And it's not for screeching monkeyboys either. Anyone even touch us without our permission and the have cross the line from legal to illegal. One can beat a child and call it "spanking," as people do all the time, and if the law decides the injury was not apparent enough (something not required if I charge someone with assualting me) to warrant being called abuse, then the parent got to legally beat a child. Happens all the time. If it weren't so laugable I'd call that "criminal." And soon it will be. Kane |
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