Quackpot news: FTC Vindicates Hulda Clark....

Date: 29 Nov 2004 08:05:59 -0000
From: "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter"




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FTC Vindicates Hulda Clark....

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Sunday, November 28th, 2004

Research Scientist Hulda Clark, quietly this last weekend, attended the
American College for Advancement of Medicine (ACAM) meeting in San Diego,
California. I was there also. It was a superb meeting.

If there was a quiet smile on Hulda Clark's face, and there was, it was for
two reasons: (1) because her attorney, Carlos Negrete, had just informed
her that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Commissioners had signed a
settlement agreement over an internet website issue involving Clark's name.

The settlement agreement is a landmark, and sets guidelines for ALL
internet sales of health products, and the method in which claims can be
made. For now.


The second reason (2) Clark was smiling was because of the public's
reaction to her new book
http://newcenturypress.com/Merchant2...Product_Code=1
05&Category_Code=All
"The Prevention of All Cancers...". This book is a detailed analysis of
cancer, its causes, the immune system, and the means ANYONE can use, on
themselves, or others, to prevent cancer from taking life. What is really
important about this book is that Clark identifies what is wrong with our
water supply, ands why our water supply is damaging our immune systems.



The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" conspiracy, over the last several years, has been trying to
use the FTC to damage competitors to Big Pharma. Sometimes they've been
successful. Hulda Clark, her theories, her books, and her inventions, have
been primary targets. But with Clark, the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters" have dismally failed. It could be said, with evidence,
that no matter what the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/WisconsinWar/who_are_these_so.htm"quackbusters"
do, or try, Clark just becomes more popular, and finds more new things to
benefit humanity.



The bottom line, here, is that the most recent
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" against Hulda Clark has once again failed. In a minute
I'll tell you why it failed. But first let me tell you what actually
happened.



On January 27th, 2003 the FTC filed an action against "Dr. Clark Research
Association (DCRA), a California corporation that uses a San Diego,
California, address; Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, a company based in
Munchenbuchsee, Switzerland, and doing business as Dr. Clark Zentrum (DCZ),
and their owner, David P. Amrein."



Further, "The FTC alleges that the defendants made numerous
unsubstantiated claims about the Zapper, the Syncrometer, the 21 Day
Program for Advanced Cancers, and the Herbal Parasite Cleanse, including
through the use of testimonials."



At the bottom line, the FTC originally wanted:

"WHEREFORE, plaintiff Federal Trade Commission, pursuant to Section 13(b)
of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 53(b), and the Court's own equitable powers,
requests that this Court:

1. Award plaintiff such temporary preliminary injunctive and ancillary
relief as may be necessary to avert the likelihood of consumer injury
during the pendency of this action, and to preserve the possibility of
effective final relief;

2. Permanently enjoin defendants from violating the Federal Trade
Commission Act as herein alleged;

3. Award such relief as the Court finds necessary to redress injury to
consumers resulting from defendants' violations of the FTC Act, including
the refund of monies paid and the disgorgement of ill-gotten monies; and

4. Award plaintiff the costs of bringing this action, as well as such other
and additional relief as the Court may determine to be just and proper."



The original January 27th, 2003 FTC Press Release, and the accompanying
documents can be find by going to
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/01/drclark.htm.



Why did the FTC think they wanted to shut down Hulda Clark?

For two reasons, I think.

(1) The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters," through their "letter campaign" intentionally misled the
FTC to believe that "Clark is making millions off the sale of her
products." I know about some of the letters, and who wrote them. I also
know that Hulda Clark's only "product" is her books. She sells no
supplements, or makes no income from the sales of supplements.



(2) The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters" see Hulda Clark, and her books, as probably the biggest
threat, worldwide, to their obscene profits - for Clark teaches people,
through her books and lectures, the reality of their own bodies and immune
systems. The New York ad agency had a meeting, targeted Clark, and went to
work.



As we all know, the New York ad agency has a set piece it puts in place
when it wants to destroy competition for its Big Pharma paymasters. In an
earlier newsletter, called http://www.quackpo****ch.org/default.htm
http:/www.quackpo****ch.org/opinionpieces/quackbusterscamftc.htm
"The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"..., I detailed how
it works. Below is an excerpt:



"The focus has been shifted since the quackbuster paymasters discovered
that (1)
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/opinion...rushed_in_fede.
htm
Barrett, and company, just can't deliver the goods, anymore. And (2)
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/opinionpieces/how.htm
Robert Baratz, the current President of the National Council Against Health
Fraud (NCAHF). who was brought up from the minor leagues with high hopes,
is turning out to be an amusing (for us) embarrassment (for them).

Now, the quackbusters are using the FTC/FDA "Operation Cure-All" as their
platform. Herein, I'll detail how I think they're doing it. In another
newsletter I'll tell you how simple it will be to thwart them - one more
time."

Here's how they do it...

They decide who they're going to hit. The advertising agency (which
controls major drug advertising) writes up the stories that are going to be
distributed to their "letter writing brigade." The letter writers,
following the guidelines, then write to the FTC, the FDA, and Operation
Cure-All, to set a basis for the complaint. Then the ad agency writes
stories, getting quotes from the likes of Barrett, Baratz, etc., on the
victim. The stories are sent out to the media in which the advertising
agency's drug clients advertise. The stories are printed in the media as
though they were true.

Once the stories hit the press, a second wave of letters goes out to the
FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, to put pressure on upper management
to act. Then more media is generated, this time with quotes from the
quackbuster insider FTC employees to make it sound official that the FTC is
interested. Once this happens, letters and phone calls go out from
supposedly "irate consumers (quackbusters)," once again to the FTC, the
FDA, and Operation Cure-All upper management, demanding to know why they
aren't doing something.

Then, letters and phone calls go out from supposedly "irate consumers
(quackbusters)" to certain members of Congress demanding to know why the
FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, aren't doing something.

Within days, upper management of the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All,
are deluged with questions from more media, and Congress. They see the
issue as important, and act against the victim - even if their is little or
no evidence.

After this, some poor ******* is fighting for his life, while the plotters
pop open a case of $1,000 a bottle champagne, congratulating themselves for
another hit against their competitor.... And, more checks are written.



Against Clark, the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" claims were so ridiculous, and so juvenile, that a simple
meeting, or two, with FTC solved many of the issues. It helped that
Chiropractor Tedd Koren, through his Washington attorney Jim Turner, had so
forcefully eliminated Stephen Barrett's personal contact's influence at FTC
not long before the Clark case came up.



But, even better was the so-called "witnesses" that FTC had assembled,
clearly on the recommendation of the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" conspiracy. The were LAUGHABLE. One of them even fled the
scene before he could be deposed.



But my all time favorite was the antics, in this case, of one of the
quackpot's top attorneys - Christopher Grell. Grell had bragged, during
Court ordered proceedings, that he was writing letters to the FTC. Later,
he complained that the FTC wasn't doing anything about his complaints.



Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas. Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert guffaw
here).



In the end...



The FTC, early in the case, offered to settle. My thinking is that soon
after the original case was filed that FTC began to get a whiff of the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" stink in the case, and decided to take a hard look at the
information, and the information sources, they had been led to believe had
substance.



Amrein's attorney, Carlos Negrete, who loves courtroom battles, listened to
what the FTC offered in settlement, and negotiated a mutual agreement FAR
from the FTC's original desires in the case.



Basically, the FTC declined to press the case, and declined finding of any
fault by Amrein, et al, in exchange for a separation of website
information, some different disclaimers, a money-back guarantee, and a
monitoring system in place for a period of time.



The important part - the website, and its sales operation is vibrantly in
business. I don't think the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters," are all that welcome in the halls, and conference rooms,
at FTC any more.



Why did this particular quackbuster attack fail?



For two reasons
(1) Because they're just not that good at this kind of thing anymore.
(2) They can't work under bright lights, and bright lights they got.

Stay tuned...



Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

This "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter" is about the battle
between "Health and Medicine" on Planet Earth. Tim Bolen is an op/ed writer
with extensive knowledge of the activities of a subversive organization
calling itself the "quackbusters," and that organization's attempts to
suppress, and discredit, any, and all health modalities that compete with
the allopathic (MD) paradigm for consumer health dollars. The focus of the
newsletter is on the ongoing activities, battles, politics, and the
victories won by members of the "Health Freedom Movement" against the
"quackbusters" It details "who the quackbusters are, what they are, where
they are operating, when they appear, and how they operate - and how easy
it is to beat them..."

For background information on the "Battle between Health and Medicine" go
to:
http://www.savedrclark.net/by_whom2.htm.
A copy of THIS newsletter, and older ones, are viewable at the website
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/default.htm.

For EVEN MORE interesting and related articles go to
http://www.bolenreport.comhttp://www.bolenreport.com.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "john"
wrote:


Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas. Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert guffaw
here).


I've asked many times what happened to the Figueroas ... it seems to
me that they too, were victims of the Quacks and their misguided
hatred of Dr. Clark ...

How did they benefit in any way with having Mallicious Prosecutor
Grell sue Dr. Clark ...???

She was a very ill woman, I understand ... and being used in this
court case probably harmed her even more.

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "john"
wrote:


Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action
against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas. Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert guffaw
here).


I've asked many times what happened to the Figueroas ... it seems to
me that they too, were victims of the Quacks and their misguided
hatred of Dr. Clark ...

How did they benefit in any way with having Mallicious Prosecutor
Grell sue Dr. Clark ...???

She was a very ill woman, I understand ... and being used in this
court case probably harmed her even more.

Why is she ill? She has the "cure for all diseases". she says..

Peter Moran

Here are the claims the FTC objected to, and required withdrawn (not
vindicated)..

Quote---

The FTC alleges that the defendants made numerous unsubstantiated claims
about the Zapper, the Syncrometer, the 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Herbal Parasite Cleanse, including through the use of testimonials.
Specifically, the complaint alleges that the defendants made unsubstantiated
representations that:

a.. use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria, viruses,
and parasites in the human body, and is effective against chronic
infections, cancer, and AIDS;
b.. the Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans and to
cure AIDS;
c.. the Supper-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure diabetes,
multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma, and many other
diseases;
d.. Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is effective to
cure all forms of cancer in humans; has cured numerous people diagnosed with
advanced cancer; and when used with the Super-Zapper Deluxe, make surgery
and chemotherapy unnecessary; and
e.. the Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing methods
at diagnosing all forms of disease; and can detect the presence of any
substance at specific points in the human body.
The FTC charges that the defendants did not have a reasonable basis to
substantiate the claims made in their advertisements.



Peter Moran

Notice how there is no link to the current FTC order.

Bolen must have been tripping over his fingers to get this spun the right
way (for him). Let's wait to see what the FTC actually says, and that which
they (i.e. Clark et al) agreed to. As we all know, Bolen can spin a good
yarn.



"john" wrote in message
...

Date: 29 Nov 2004 08:05:59 -0000
From: "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter"





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FTC Vindicates Hulda Clark....

Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen

Sunday, November 28th, 2004

Research Scientist Hulda Clark, quietly this last weekend, attended the
American College for Advancement of Medicine (ACAM) meeting in San Diego,
California. I was there also. It was a superb meeting.

If there was a quiet smile on Hulda Clark's face, and there was, it was
for
two reasons: (1) because her attorney, Carlos Negrete, had just informed
her that the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Commissioners had signed a
settlement agreement over an internet website issue involving Clark's
name.

The settlement agreement is a landmark, and sets guidelines for ALL
internet sales of health products, and the method in which claims can be
made. For now.


The second reason (2) Clark was smiling was because of the public's
reaction to her new book

http://newcenturypress.com/Merchant2...Product_Code=1
05&Category_Code=All
"The Prevention of All Cancers...". This book is a detailed analysis of
cancer, its causes, the immune system, and the means ANYONE can use, on
themselves, or others, to prevent cancer from taking life. What is
really
important about this book is that Clark identifies what is wrong with our
water supply, ands why our water supply is damaging our immune systems.



The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" conspiracy, over the last several years, has been trying to
use the FTC to damage competitors to Big Pharma. Sometimes they've been
successful. Hulda Clark, her theories, her books, and her inventions,
have
been primary targets. But with Clark, the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters" have dismally failed. It could be said, with evidence,
that no matter what the

http://www.quackpo****ch.org/WisconsinWar/who_are_these_so.htm"quackbusters"
do, or try, Clark just becomes more popular, and finds more new things to
benefit humanity.



The bottom line, here, is that the most recent
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" against Hulda Clark has once again failed. In a minute
I'll tell you why it failed. But first let me tell you what actually
happened.



On January 27th, 2003 the FTC filed an action against "Dr. Clark Research
Association (DCRA), a California corporation that uses a San Diego,
California, address; Dr. Clark Behandlungzentrum GMbH, a company based in
Munchenbuchsee, Switzerland, and doing business as Dr. Clark Zentrum
(DCZ),
and their owner, David P. Amrein."



Further, "The FTC alleges that the defendants made numerous
unsubstantiated claims about the Zapper, the Syncrometer, the 21 Day
Program for Advanced Cancers, and the Herbal Parasite Cleanse, including
through the use of testimonials."



At the bottom line, the FTC originally wanted:

"WHEREFORE, plaintiff Federal Trade Commission, pursuant to Section 13(b)
of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 53(b), and the Court's own equitable powers,
requests that this Court:

1. Award plaintiff such temporary preliminary injunctive and ancillary
relief as may be necessary to avert the likelihood of consumer injury
during the pendency of this action, and to preserve the possibility of
effective final relief;

2. Permanently enjoin defendants from violating the Federal Trade
Commission Act as herein alleged;

3. Award such relief as the Court finds necessary to redress injury to
consumers resulting from defendants' violations of the FTC Act, including
the refund of monies paid and the disgorgement of ill-gotten monies; and

4. Award plaintiff the costs of bringing this action, as well as such
other
and additional relief as the Court may determine to be just and proper."



The original January 27th, 2003 FTC Press Release, and the accompanying
documents can be find by going to
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/01/drclark.htm.



Why did the FTC think they wanted to shut down Hulda Clark?

For two reasons, I think.

(1) The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters," through their "letter campaign" intentionally misled the
FTC to believe that "Clark is making millions off the sale of her
products." I know about some of the letters, and who wrote them. I also
know that Hulda Clark's only "product" is her books. She sells no
supplements, or makes no income from the sales of supplements.



(2) The http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters" see Hulda Clark, and her books, as probably the biggest
threat, worldwide, to their obscene profits - for Clark teaches people,
through her books and lectures, the reality of their own bodies and immune
systems. The New York ad agency had a meeting, targeted Clark, and went
to
work.



As we all know, the New York ad agency has a set piece it puts in place
when it wants to destroy competition for its Big Pharma paymasters. In an
earlier newsletter, called http://www.quackpo****ch.org/default.htm
http:/www.quackpo****ch.org/opinionpieces/quackbusterscamftc.htm
"The Quackbuster's Newest Scam - "Operation Cure-All"..., I detailed how
it works. Below is an excerpt:



"The focus has been shifted since the quackbuster paymasters discovered
that (1)

http://www.quackpo****ch.org/opinion...rushed_in_fede.
htm
Barrett, and company, just can't deliver the goods, anymore. And (2)
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/opinionpieces/how.htm
Robert Baratz, the current President of the National Council Against
Health
Fraud (NCAHF). who was brought up from the minor leagues with high hopes,
is turning out to be an amusing (for us) embarrassment (for them).

Now, the quackbusters are using the FTC/FDA "Operation Cure-All" as their
platform. Herein, I'll detail how I think they're doing it. In another
newsletter I'll tell you how simple it will be to thwart them - one more
time."

Here's how they do it...

They decide who they're going to hit. The advertising agency (which
controls major drug advertising) writes up the stories that are going to
be
distributed to their "letter writing brigade." The letter writers,
following the guidelines, then write to the FTC, the FDA, and Operation
Cure-All, to set a basis for the complaint. Then the ad agency writes
stories, getting quotes from the likes of Barrett, Baratz, etc., on the
victim. The stories are sent out to the media in which the advertising
agency's drug clients advertise. The stories are printed in the media as
though they were true.

Once the stories hit the press, a second wave of letters goes out to the
FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, to put pressure on upper management
to act. Then more media is generated, this time with quotes from the
quackbuster insider FTC employees to make it sound official that the FTC
is
interested. Once this happens, letters and phone calls go out from
supposedly "irate consumers (quackbusters)," once again to the FTC, the
FDA, and Operation Cure-All upper management, demanding to know why they
aren't doing something.

Then, letters and phone calls go out from supposedly "irate consumers
(quackbusters)" to certain members of Congress demanding to know why the
FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All, aren't doing something.

Within days, upper management of the FTC, the FDA, and Operation Cure-All,
are deluged with questions from more media, and Congress. They see the
issue as important, and act against the victim - even if their is little
or
no evidence.

After this, some poor ******* is fighting for his life, while the plotters
pop open a case of $1,000 a bottle champagne, congratulating themselves
for
another hit against their competitor.... And, more checks are written.



Against Clark, the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" claims were so ridiculous, and so juvenile, that a simple
meeting, or two, with FTC solved many of the issues. It helped that
Chiropractor Tedd Koren, through his Washington attorney Jim Turner, had
so
forcefully eliminated Stephen Barrett's personal contact's influence at
FTC
not long before the Clark case came up.



But, even better was the so-called "witnesses" that FTC had assembled,
clearly on the recommendation of the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" conspiracy. The were LAUGHABLE. One of them even fled the
scene before he could be deposed.



But my all time favorite was the antics, in this case, of one of the
quackpot's top attorneys - Christopher Grell. Grell had bragged, during
Court ordered proceedings, that he was writing letters to the FTC. Later,
he complained that the FTC wasn't doing anything about his complaints.



Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action
against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas. Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert guffaw
here).



In the end...



The FTC, early in the case, offered to settle. My thinking is that soon
after the original case was filed that FTC began to get a whiff of the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbuster" stink in the case, and decided to take a hard look at the
information, and the information sources, they had been led to believe had
substance.



Amrein's attorney, Carlos Negrete, who loves courtroom battles, listened
to
what the FTC offered in settlement, and negotiated a mutual agreement FAR
from the FTC's original desires in the case.



Basically, the FTC declined to press the case, and declined finding of any
fault by Amrein, et al, in exchange for a separation of website
information, some different disclaimers, a money-back guarantee, and a
monitoring system in place for a period of time.



The important part - the website, and its sales operation is vibrantly in
business. I don't think the
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/Wiscons...e_these_so.htm
"quackbusters," are all that welcome in the halls, and conference rooms,
at FTC any more.



Why did this particular quackbuster attack fail?



For two reasons
(1) Because they're just not that good at this kind of thing anymore.
(2) They can't work under bright lights, and bright lights they got.

Stay tuned...



Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

This "Millions of Health Freedom Fighters - Newsletter" is about the
battle
between "Health and Medicine" on Planet Earth. Tim Bolen is an op/ed
writer
with extensive knowledge of the activities of a subversive organization
calling itself the "quackbusters," and that organization's attempts to
suppress, and discredit, any, and all health modalities that compete with
the allopathic (MD) paradigm for consumer health dollars. The focus of the
newsletter is on the ongoing activities, battles, politics, and the
victories won by members of the "Health Freedom Movement" against the
"quackbusters" It details "who the quackbusters are, what they are, where
they are operating, when they appear, and how they operate - and how easy
it is to beat them..."

For background information on the "Battle between Health and Medicine" go
to:
http://www.savedrclark.net/by_whom2.htm.
A copy of THIS newsletter, and older ones, are viewable at the website
http://www.quackpo****ch.org/default.htm.

For EVEN MORE interesting and related articles go to
http://www.bolenreport.comhttp://www.bolenreport.com.

In article ,
"Mark Probert" Mark wrote:

Notice how there is no link to the current FTC order.

Bolen must have been tripping over his fingers to get this spun the right
way (for him). Let's wait to see what the FTC actually says, and that which
they (i.e. Clark et al) agreed to.

Indeed. The actual order will be public.


As we all know, Bolen can spin a good
yarn.

You're far too kind. He's actually not that good at it. His "yarns" are
usually quite transparent. ;-)

--
Orac |"I am not interested in trying to compensate
| for your amazing lack of observation."
|
| Orac

In article

..au,
"Peter Moran" wrote:

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "john"
wrote:


Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action
against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas. Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert guffaw
here).


I've asked many times what happened to the Figueroas ... it seems to
me that they too, were victims of the Quacks and their misguided
hatred of Dr. Clark ...

How did they benefit in any way with having Mallicious Prosecutor
Grell sue Dr. Clark ...???

She was a very ill woman, I understand ... and being used in this
court case probably harmed her even more.

Why is she ill? She has the "cure for all diseases". she says..

Indeed. If it is true that Hulda Clark is "very ill," one wonders how
great her "cure for all diseases" really is. It can't be that great.
Otherwise, why can't she (or one of her acolytes) "cure" herself?

--
Orac |"I am not interested in trying to compensate
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..au,
"Peter Moran" wrote:

Here are the claims the FTC objected to, and required withdrawn (not
vindicated)..

Quote---

The FTC alleges that the defendants made numerous unsubstantiated claims
about the Zapper, the Syncrometer, the 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Herbal Parasite Cleanse, including through the use of testimonials.
Specifically, the complaint alleges that the defendants made unsubstantiated
representations that:

a.. use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria, viruses,
and parasites in the human body, and is effective against chronic
infections, cancer, and AIDS;
b.. the Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans and to
cure AIDS;
c.. the Supper-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure diabetes,
multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma, and many other
diseases;
d.. Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is effective to
cure all forms of cancer in humans; has cured numerous people diagnosed with
advanced cancer; and when used with the Super-Zapper Deluxe, make surgery
and chemotherapy unnecessary; and
e.. the Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing methods
at diagnosing all forms of disease; and can detect the presence of any
substance at specific points in the human body.
The FTC charges that the defendants did not have a reasonable basis to
substantiate the claims made in their advertisements.

Interesting, if this is the order to which Ilena was referring, the one
that Hulda is going to accept as part of a settlement with the FTC. ;-)

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In article

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"Peter Moran" wrote:

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "john"
wrote:


Grell, you may remember, is the one who brought the original action
against
Hulda Clark, allegedly on behalf of his clients, the Figueroas.
Stephen
Barrett, and his parrots, made a big deal about this case. After a
period
of time the Figueroas fired Grell - right after they were required to
be
deposed about their claims. Then Grell sued Hulda Clark personally,
claiming that she had hired me (Tim Bolen) to defame him (insert
guffaw
here).


I've asked many times what happened to the Figueroas ... it seems to
me that they too, were victims of the Quacks and their misguided
hatred of Dr. Clark ...

How did they benefit in any way with having Mallicious Prosecutor
Grell sue Dr. Clark ...???

She was a very ill woman, I understand ... and being used in this
court case probably harmed her even more.

Why is she ill? She has the "cure for all diseases". she says..

Indeed. If it is true that Hulda Clark is "very ill," one wonders how
great her "cure for all diseases" really is. It can't be that great.
Otherwise, why can't she (or one of her acolytes) "cure" herself?

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition, and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw should be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements to be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5 cm to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain she was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa. Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and the case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a motion to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of costs and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs. Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of California,
First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health Resource Center v
Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County Superior Court No.
2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

Anyone who claims that this account is inaccurate should be prepared to post
the original decision.

"Orac" wrote in message
news
In article

.au,
"Peter Moran" wrote:

Here are the claims the FTC objected to, and required withdrawn (not
vindicated)..

Quote---

The FTC alleges that the defendants made numerous unsubstantiated claims
about the Zapper, the Syncrometer, the 21 Day Program for Advanced
Cancers,
and the Herbal Parasite Cleanse, including through the use of
testimonials.
Specifically, the complaint alleges that the defendants made
unsubstantiated
representations that:

a.. use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
viruses,
and parasites in the human body, and is effective against chronic
infections, cancer, and AIDS;
b.. the Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans and
to
cure AIDS;
c.. the Supper-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
diabetes,
multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma, and many other
diseases;
d.. Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is effective
to
cure all forms of cancer in humans; has cured numerous people diagnosed
with
advanced cancer; and when used with the Super-Zapper Deluxe, make
surgery
and chemotherapy unnecessary; and
e.. the Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
methods
at diagnosing all forms of disease; and can detect the presence of any
substance at specific points in the human body.
The FTC charges that the defendants did not have a reasonable basis to
substantiate the claims made in their advertisements.

Interesting, if this is the order to which Ilena was referring, the one
that Hulda is going to accept as part of a settlement with the FTC. ;-)

It is the original complaint.