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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
Be aware that rogue agencies exist that mislead NCPs into believing
they are a state enforcement agency when they are a private for-profit collection business. This Florida business had an elaborate collection scheme that re-routed all payments made to the state child support enforcement by NCPs to its private business account where they would deduct 35% of the payments and forward the remainder to the client custodial parent. This was done for current payments as well as arrearage payments. The agency also presented employers with phoney income deduction orders with payments going directly through the agency leaving NCPs with arrearages, license revocation, and jail for nonpayment. (PDF File, 28 pgs) http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/JFAO-6NSMST/$file/Child_Support_complaint.pdf |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that
scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) Gini wrote: Be aware that rogue agencies exist that mislead NCPs into believing they are a state enforcement agency when they are a private for-profit collection business. This Florida business had an elaborate collection scheme that re-routed all payments made to the state child support enforcement by NCPs to its private business account where they would deduct 35% of the payments and forward the remainder to the client custodial parent. This was done for current payments as well as arrearage payments. The agency also presented employers with phoney income deduction orders with payments going directly through the agency leaving NCPs with arrearages, license revocation, and jail for nonpayment. (PDF File, 28 pgs) http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/JFAO-6NSMST/$file/Child_Support_complaint.pdf |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
"John Meyer" wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. == Gini wrote: Be aware that rogue agencies exist that mislead NCPs into believing they are a state enforcement agency when they are a private for-profit collection business. This Florida business had an elaborate collection scheme that re-routed all payments made to the state child support enforcement by NCPs to its private business account where they would deduct 35% of the payments and forward the remainder to the client custodial parent. This was done for current payments as well as arrearage payments. The agency also presented employers with phoney income deduction orders with payments going directly through the agency leaving NCPs with arrearages, license revocation, and jail for nonpayment. (PDF File, 28 pgs) http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/JFAO-6NSMST/$file/Child_Support_complaint.pdf |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
On May 19, 7:37?pm, John Meyer wrote:
And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) Gini wrote: Be aware that rogue agencies exist that mislead NCPs into believing they are a state enforcement agency when they are a private for-profit collection business. This Florida business had an elaborate collection scheme that re-routed all payments made to the state child support enforcement by NCPs to its private business account where they would deduct 35% of the payments and forward the remainder to the client custodial parent. This was done for current payments as well as arrearage payments. The agency also presented employers with phoney income deduction orders with payments going directly through the agency leaving NCPs with arrearages, license revocation, and jail for nonpayment. (PDF File, 28 pgs) http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/JFAO-6NSMST/$file/Child_Sup...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - They pretended they were the state and payments that should of gone through the state were rerouted through them instead and the NCP's didnt get credit and were arrested. |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
Gini wrote:
"John Meyer" wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. You don't get any credit with the CSE either . . .that is, if you try to act adult about the whole situation and settle it between you and the ex rather than going straight to the courts. All you did was just "gift" the person you can't stand enough to live in the same household as. |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
On May 19, 8:08�pm, John Meyer wrote:
Gini wrote: "John Meyer" *wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. You don't get any credit with the CSE either . . .that is, if you try to act adult about the whole situation and settle it between you and the ex rather than going straight to the courts. *All you did was just "gift" the person you can't stand enough to live in the same household as. I didnt use CSE. We had an amount ordered and a garnishment order entered and it went directly to her from my employers |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
"Relayer" wrote in message oups.com... On May 19, 8:08?pm, John Meyer wrote: Gini wrote: "John Meyer" wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. You don't get any credit with the CSE either . . .that is, if you try to act adult about the whole situation and settle it between you and the ex rather than going straight to the courts. All you did was just "gift" the person you can't stand enough to live in the same household as. I didnt use CSE. We had an amount ordered and a garnishment order entered and it went directly to her from my employers ------------- I may be an exception, but when CSE got involved in my case, and the state started doing CS accounting, collections, and disbursements, all the false claims of non-payment of support stopped. The game in my case was to switch how payments were applied from CS, to SS, to attorney fees. That allowed her to collect disputed attorney fees using the CS enforcement laws. When I paid directly, and later when I through a Garnishment By Attorney where my employer sent her the CS payments, it was always my word against her word. Guess who always won that discrepency? I ended up paying over $13,000 more than the court ordered just because she couldn't keep track of what I paid. Believe it or not, at one point she complained I was sending her too many checks to deposit, and that was causing her to lose some of the checks. Once the state started doing the CS accounting all the games stopped. |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Relayer" wrote in message oups.com... On May 19, 8:08?pm, John Meyer wrote: Gini wrote: "John Meyer" wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. You don't get any credit with the CSE either . . .that is, if you try to act adult about the whole situation and settle it between you and the ex rather than going straight to the courts. All you did was just "gift" the person you can't stand enough to live in the same household as. I didnt use CSE. We had an amount ordered and a garnishment order entered and it went directly to her from my employers ------------- I may be an exception, but when CSE got involved in my case, and the state started doing CS accounting, collections, and disbursements, all the false claims of non-payment of support stopped. The game in my case was to switch how payments were applied from CS, to SS, to attorney fees. That allowed her to collect disputed attorney fees using the CS enforcement laws. When I paid directly, and later when I through a Garnishment By Attorney where my employer sent her the CS payments, it was always my word against her word. Guess who always won that discrepency? I ended up paying over $13,000 more than the court ordered just because she couldn't keep track of what I paid. Believe it or not, at one point she complained I was sending her too many checks to deposit, and that was causing her to lose some of the checks. Once the state started doing the CS accounting all the games stopped. Except for one; the game of blackmail. |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
"Chris" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Relayer" wrote in message oups.com... On May 19, 8:08?pm, John Meyer wrote: Gini wrote: "John Meyer" wrote And the difference between them and the REAL child support agencies that scam off the non custodial parents is. . .?;-) == You don't get credit for payments made...ever. You don't get any credit with the CSE either . . .that is, if you try to act adult about the whole situation and settle it between you and the ex rather than going straight to the courts. All you did was just "gift" the person you can't stand enough to live in the same household as. I didnt use CSE. We had an amount ordered and a garnishment order entered and it went directly to her from my employers ------------- I may be an exception, but when CSE got involved in my case, and the state started doing CS accounting, collections, and disbursements, all the false claims of non-payment of support stopped. The game in my case was to switch how payments were applied from CS, to SS, to attorney fees. That allowed her to collect disputed attorney fees using the CS enforcement laws. When I paid directly, and later when I through a Garnishment By Attorney where my employer sent her the CS payments, it was always my word against her word. Guess who always won that discrepency? I ended up paying over $13,000 more than the court ordered just because she couldn't keep track of what I paid. Believe it or not, at one point she complained I was sending her too many checks to deposit, and that was causing her to lose some of the checks. Once the state started doing the CS accounting all the games stopped. Except for one; the game of blackmail. I didn't consider paying lower CS amounts under the guidelines and only having to pay the amount ordered, not some phoney-baloney arrearage amount added on, to be blackmail. Where CS orders become blackmail is when the awards are inflated by imputed incomes, false claims of arrearages are allowed to be included by converting money already paid to gifts, arbitrary additions are made for time lags in implementing modifications, and guideline amounts are inflated by basic award additions for things like healthcare, childcare, etc. before they occur instead of being paid when those expenses can be documented. |
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Dads Alert: Child Support Enforcement Scams
Bob Whiteside wrote:
I may be an exception, but when CSE got involved in my case, and the state started doing CS accounting, collections, and disbursements, all the false claims of non-payment of support stopped. The game in my case was to switch how payments were applied from CS, to SS, to attorney fees. That allowed her to collect disputed attorney fees using the CS enforcement laws. When I paid directly, and later when I through a Garnishment By Attorney where my employer sent her the CS payments, it was always my word against her word. Guess who always won that discrepency? I ended up paying over $13,000 more than the court ordered just because she couldn't keep track of what I paid. Believe it or not, at one point she complained I was sending her too many checks to deposit, and that was causing her to lose some of the checks. Once the state started doing the CS accounting all the games stopped. I don't doubt it. And to a certain degree I can even comprehend fathers actually going to CSE and demanding formal child support agreements. What happened to me, was slightly different. Because I voluntarily signed myself and my kids up for health insurance, the company involved calculated the child support in the wrong manner (child support then health insurance, as opposed to child support then health insurance when the health insurance is ordered by the court). Had I not caught the error in time (I checked online the day before the checks were to be printed) I would have had to have gone two weeks without any sort of pay. Then end result, however, was that I didn't have three full "months" of payment until four months later, thereby delaying a reinstatement of my driver's license. In short, I was punished for voluntarily getting health insurance for my kids. You may ask you why I didn't just wait for the health order to sign me and my kids up (and I just loved the violation of the First Amendment in this; you are forced to associate with a business if the health insurance company makes it impossible for them to sign up the kids without the adult)? Well, from a discussion with an HR rep, if that had gone through, HR would have simply blindly signed me up for any insurance. They strongly hinted that they might sign me up for the most expensive insurance, which would have cost me $50 per month. Not to mention the fact that the CSE order wouldn't have reflected what I was paying out, just the fact that I owed this amount of child support + health insurance. By the time I straightened this out through the courts, I could have been working months on end as a slave. |
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