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#21
March 12th 06, 04:21 PM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
Jan Drew wrote:
"MothWrangler" wrote in message ... Jan Drew wrote: "MothWrangler" wrote in message ... Jan Drew wrote: "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... -- Buny Wrong. You are nit picking. She stated it correctly. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html Real Life focuses on Asperger's Syndrome, which a program note describes as being like a dash of autism. People with Asperger's Syndrome have normal intelligence but exhibit autism-like symptoms. So, are you now claiming that all individuals with autism don't have "normal intelligence"? Meaning what--that all individuals with autism are individuals with low IQs? Did you read me claiming that? In FACT no one did. Now after ALL these diversions, the subject is restored: Jan's tactic is to revert to the original subject when she realizes that she cannot bully someone. Jan has no idea that arguing with Nancy is a battle that she will lose. I am smart enough not to try it! http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] What makes you think it is *allowed*? Do you realize that in a special educations setting, though, it is an action that is understood by the trained professionals and dealt with in an appropriate manner? Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] No, that is not being judgmental. Anyone with real experience in this venue knows that having a special needs child at home creates a highly stressful situation on a 24/7 basis. Thus, the teacher, instead of being *judgmental* is expressing a valid concern. 
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#22
March 13th 06, 01:50 AM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:CoDQf.60435$Ug4.48903@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message om... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:IXkQf.60386$Ug4.39803@dukeread12... "Skeptic" wrote in message news:mr6Qf.15073$oL.13998@attbi_s71... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... Kind of like "heart attack like symptoms of an MI". Pretty much...using "big words" to try to inpress the audience, without comprending what those "big words" actually mean G A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers. Considering that I work with teachers, as a volunteer, a substitute teachers, as a special ed major (halfway to my degree at this point), with over a dozen years of experience volunteering and substitute teaching, not to mention working as an aide in the classroom...I would think that I know tad more about the profession than you do... A dozen, huh? I owned and directed two daycare centers for thirty eight years, which included kindergarten classes. You are just getting started. I repeat: A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers ....and how many dealt directly with special education issues? Or did your daycare centers do like so many others that I have had to deal with...simply blackball special ed children, because they do not fall under IDEA? -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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#23
March 13th 06, 01:53 AM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:kwDQf.60437$Ug4.37573@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message news  "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... -- Buny Wrong. You are nit picking. She stated it correctly. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html Real Life focuses on Asperger's Syndrome, which a program note describes as being like a dash of autism. People with Asperger's Syndrome have normal intelligence but exhibit autism-like symptoms. I would suggest that you look at the *medical definition* of asperger's syndrome, instead of someone who has no idea of what it is, who says it is "a dash of autism"....I am not "nit picking" when I say that she is wrong in saying that it is not autism...when the medical definition clearly states it *is* No, I don't need to, you are nit picking, plain and simple. No, I am insisting that people that claim to be *professionals* use professional temrinology...to do otherwise means that they lose credibility... That was lesson #1 in my first education class in college...for someone who claims to have run a daycare center, I would have thought that you would have known that from your own pedagogy classes...assuming you had to take any to run daycare centers....perhaps you only needed business classes to do that, and not any degrees in education, which would explain many deficiencies in your posts...such as the stawman you immediately used when your mistake was called on here... -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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#24
March 13th 06, 02:06 AM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
Sumbuny wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:CoDQf.60435$Ug4.48903@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message om... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:IXkQf.60386$Ug4.39803@dukeread12... "Skeptic" wrote in message news:mr6Qf.15073$oL.13998@attbi_s71... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... Kind of like "heart attack like symptoms of an MI". Pretty much...using "big words" to try to inpress the audience, without comprending what those "big words" actually mean G A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers. Considering that I work with teachers, as a volunteer, a substitute teachers, as a special ed major (halfway to my degree at this point), with over a dozen years of experience volunteering and substitute teaching, not to mention working as an aide in the classroom...I would think that I know tad more about the profession than you do... A dozen, huh? I owned and directed two daycare centers for thirty eight years, which included kindergarten classes. You are just getting started. I repeat: A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers ...and how many dealt directly with special education issues? Or did your daycare centers do like so many others that I have had to deal with...simply blackball special ed children, because they do not fall under IDEA? I recall that Jan mentioned that her daycare center was for children 3 and over, and none of the kiddies were in diapers. Sounds like she did not take in developmentally disabled children. They were the lucky ones.
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#25
March 13th 06, 03:20 AM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
I see you know absolutely nothing about state daycare centers. Special needs
children do not get blackballed. There are regulations set by the state for centers to take special needs children. It appears you have been listening to Mark Probert and his lies. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news d4Rf.60518$Ug4.43197@dukeread12..."Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:CoDQf.60435$Ug4.48903@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message om... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:IXkQf.60386$Ug4.39803@dukeread12... "Skeptic" wrote in message news:mr6Qf.15073$oL.13998@attbi_s71... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... Kind of like "heart attack like symptoms of an MI". Pretty much...using "big words" to try to inpress the audience, without comprending what those "big words" actually mean G A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers. Considering that I work with teachers, as a volunteer, a substitute teachers, as a special ed major (halfway to my degree at this point), with over a dozen years of experience volunteering and substitute teaching, not to mention working as an aide in the classroom...I would think that I know tad more about the profession than you do... A dozen, huh? I owned and directed two daycare centers for thirty eight years, which included kindergarten classes. You are just getting started. I repeat: A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers ...and how many dealt directly with special education issues? Or did your daycare centers do like so many others that I have had to deal with...simply blackball special ed children, because they do not fall under IDEA? -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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#26
March 13th 06, 03:28 AM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Sumbuny" wrote in message news:qg4Rf.60519$Ug4.54309@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:kwDQf.60437$Ug4.37573@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message news
"Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... -- Buny Wrong. You are nit picking. She stated it correctly. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html Real Life focuses on Asperger's Syndrome, which a program note describes as being like a dash of autism. People with Asperger's Syndrome have normal intelligence but exhibit autism-like symptoms. I would suggest that you look at the *medical definition* of asperger's syndrome, instead of someone who has no idea of what it is, who says it is "a dash of autism"....I am not "nit picking" when I say that she is wrong in saying that it is not autism...when the medical definition clearly states it *is* No, I don't need to, you are nit picking, plain and simple. No, I am insisting that people that claim to be *professionals* use professional temrinology...to do otherwise means that they lose credibility... Feel free to write and complain. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html [snip] As this thread is not about me. -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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March 13th 06, 02:11 PM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
Jan Drew wrote:
I see you know absolutely nothing about state daycare centers. Special needs children do not get blackballed. There are regulations set by the state for centers to take special needs children. It appears you have been listening to Mark Probert and his lies. You said that you did not take children 3 and over who still needed diapering. There are special needs kids who fit that description. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news d4Rf.60518$Ug4.43197@dukeread12..."Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:CoDQf.60435$Ug4.48903@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message om... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:IXkQf.60386$Ug4.39803@dukeread12... "Skeptic" wrote in message news:mr6Qf.15073$oL.13998@attbi_s71... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... Kind of like "heart attack like symptoms of an MI". Pretty much...using "big words" to try to inpress the audience, without comprending what those "big words" actually mean G A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers. Considering that I work with teachers, as a volunteer, a substitute teachers, as a special ed major (halfway to my degree at this point), with over a dozen years of experience volunteering and substitute teaching, not to mention working as an aide in the classroom...I would think that I know tad more about the profession than you do... A dozen, huh? I owned and directed two daycare centers for thirty eight years, which included kindergarten classes. You are just getting started. I repeat: A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers ...and how many dealt directly with special education issues? Or did your daycare centers do like so many others that I have had to deal with...simply blackball special ed children, because they do not fall under IDEA? -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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#28
March 13th 06, 06:02 PM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Sumbuny" wrote in message news:qg4Rf.60519$Ug4.54309@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:kwDQf.60437$Ug4.37573@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message news
"Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... -- Buny Wrong. You are nit picking. She stated it correctly. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html Real Life focuses on Asperger's Syndrome, which a program note describes as being like a dash of autism. People with Asperger's Syndrome have normal intelligence but exhibit autism-like symptoms. I would suggest that you look at the *medical definition* of asperger's syndrome, instead of someone who has no idea of what it is, who says it is "a dash of autism"....I am not "nit picking" when I say that she is wrong in saying that it is not autism...when the medical definition clearly states it *is* No, I don't need to, you are nit picking, plain and simple. No, I am insisting that people that claim to be *professionals* use professional temrinology...to do otherwise means that they lose credibility... That was lesson #1 in my first education class in college...for someone who claims to have run a daycare center, I would have thought that you would have known that from your own pedagogy classes...assuming you had to take any to run daycare centers....perhaps you only needed business classes to do that, and not any degrees in education, which would explain many deficiencies in your posts...such as the stawman you immediately used when your mistake was called on here... Jan didn't go to college, and didn't learn much in high-school. What little she did learn, she forgot during a lifetime of communicating only with preschoolers. -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/
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March 13th 06, 07:13 PM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Mark Probert" blathered: Jan Drew wrote: I see you know absolutely nothing about state daycare centers. Special needs children do not get blackballed. There are regulations set by the state for centers to take special needs children. It appears you have been listening to Mark Probert and his lies. You said that you did not take children 3 and over who still needed diapering. I posted no such thing. There are special needs kids who fit that description. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news d4Rf.60518$Ug4.43197@dukeread12..."Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:CoDQf.60435$Ug4.48903@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message om... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:IXkQf.60386$Ug4.39803@dukeread12... "Skeptic" wrote in message news:mr6Qf.15073$oL.13998@attbi_s71... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... Kind of like "heart attack like symptoms of an MI". Pretty much...using "big words" to try to inpress the audience, without comprending what those "big words" actually mean G A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers. Considering that I work with teachers, as a volunteer, a substitute teachers, as a special ed major (halfway to my degree at this point), with over a dozen years of experience volunteering and substitute teaching, not to mention working as an aide in the classroom...I would think that I know tad more about the profession than you do... A dozen, huh? I owned and directed two daycare centers for thirty eight years, which included kindergarten classes. You are just getting started. I repeat: A real pity you feel the need to giggle at teachers ...and how many dealt directly with special education issues? Or did your daycare centers do like so many others that I have had to deal with...simply blackball special ed children, because they do not fall under IDEA? -- Buny " Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." ~ Albert Camus
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#30
March 13th 06, 07:22 PM
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Teaching in the ADHD Era
"Rich" wrote in message ... "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:qg4Rf.60519$Ug4.54309@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Sumbuny" wrote in message news:kwDQf.60437$Ug4.37573@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message news
"Sumbuny" wrote in message news:sk2Qf.59701$Ug4.977@dukeread12... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... http://ledger.southofboston.com/arti...ews/news04.txt Teaching in the ADHD era: Variety of learning disorders make instruction more complex Excerpts: [see my comments] Fights are rare, but a few teachers have been cursed at to their face. [this should NEVER be allowed, under ANY circumstances] Most weeks, a larger number contend with students who refuse to do their assignments. A handful of students must be coaxed into participation from the withdrawn, autism-like symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome, while others seem sunk in silence - perhaps, teachers say, because they've witnessed or suffered anger or abuse at home. [My-my isn't the teacher judgmental, Mark Probert?, YES, it is the teacher's job.] "Autism-like symptoms of Asperger's"???? Asperger's Syndrome *is* a type of autism....the teacher not only is not doing her job very well, she is not very well informed... -- Buny Wrong. You are nit picking. She stated it correctly. http://www.encorestudio.org/content/reallifereview.html Real Life focuses on Asperger's Syndrome, which a program note describes as being like a dash of autism. People with Asperger's Syndrome have normal intelligence but exhibit autism-like symptoms. I would suggest that you look at the *medical definition* of asperger's syndrome, instead of someone who has no idea of what it is, who says it is "a dash of autism"....I am not "nit picking" when I say that she is wrong in saying that it is not autism...when the medical definition clearly states it *is* No, I don't need to, you are nit picking, plain and simple. No, I am insisting that people that claim to be *professionals* use professional temrinology...to do otherwise means that they lose credibility... That was lesson #1 in my first education class in college...for someone who claims to have run a daycare center, I would have thought that you would have known that from your own pedagogy classes...assuming you had to take any to run daycare centers....perhaps you only needed business classes to do that, and not any degrees in education, which would explain many deficiencies in your posts...such as the stawman you immediately used when your mistake was called on here... Jan didn't go to college, and didn't learn much in high-school. What little she did learn, she forgot during a lifetime of communicating only with preschoolers. Are you judging me, Rich? What a hypocrite. *Also, it is not the responsiblilty of Peter and HCN and the rest of us to judge Mark. The ability to overlook the faults of others is important for getting along in society.* Rich Shewmaker -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbagsLIES Three dead Children http://tinyurl.com/9hkaj http://tinyurl.com/bgqou http://www.acahf.org.au [snip spam] NO medical training http://www.quackwatch.org/ QUACK QUACK *Alternative therapy" is a marketing term that should not be permitted.* http://www.napa.ufl.edu/98news/alternat.htm Schools Opening Up to Alternative Medicine *While a few of those so accredited are naive physicians, most are nonmedical persons who only play at being doctor and use this certification as an umbrella for a host of unproven New Age hokum treatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and even medical schools are succumbing to the bait and exposing patients to such bogus treatments when they need real medical care* The National Council Against Health Fraud has concluded: a.. Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment That clearly is a LIE!!!!! http://tinyurl.com/8qeg3 http://tinyurl.com/8caw5 http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.o...act/42/12/1508 http://tinyurl.com/7ajgz {spin spam}
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