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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Beverly" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:48:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote: "Beverly" wrote in message news On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:09:31 GMT, "Kenneth S." wrote: But so long as women made unilateral choices, they should bear the sole responsibility for their own choices. I agree with the statement as written; however, just because a woman CAN make a choice to abort while a man cannot does not necessarily make it a unilateral choice. Children born within a marriage are often a choice made by both, I sense a SLIGHT contradiction in the above statements. although not always. Conversely, children born out of wedlock may be a choice made by both parents, Contradiction repeated. but I would strongly advise any woman in this situation to make her own decisions based upon her own circumstances. They ALWAYS make their own decision. I needed my husband's signature for a tubal ligation. I am under the understanding that I would have needed his signature for an abortion as well. My eldest's father wanted me to abort. We were not married. I made my decision to keep my baby and took sole responsibility for my decision. I never asked his father for anything. My younger two children were a product of my marriage to my ex husband. We made the decision together to have children before they were conceived. There's that pesky contradiction again, unless such "children" exist at the time of conception. You don't believe that couples plan for children and work together at getting the woman pregnant to achieve this goal? That is kind of strange, isn't it? I know that my husband and I planned for our 2 children, and made sure there were no more than the 2, which we knew we could afford. (Except that another child popped up from the past and gets more of his paycheck than our 2 get, by court order. That kind of put a crimp in things) |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Robert" wrote in The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Thank you Comrade Robert and the people like you for making your personal opinion into law. It is my opinion that state representatives who waste our hard earned tax money should be put into slave labor conditions too, lets get all the comrades together and pass it into law. |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Robert" wrote in message ... Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom, unless he has absolute faith in his partner. The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the woman he is taking pleasure from. My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should do regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be held financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially responsible when women make unilateral choices. I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again. |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"teachrmama" wrote in Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. Many who are 35 and older and should know better too! |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "Gini" wrote in message news:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05... "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote ................. Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society must support. == Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age. As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine. == G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman? == .......................... no man has ever died from a vasectomy. == And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. And more research . . .. Intraoperative complications such as: Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures. Blood transfusions A life-threatening event Death Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively, as well as: Febrile morbidity Rehospitalization Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal ligation surgery. == You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely rare) do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite entertaining tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....? With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely chastity is still a choice! Chastity is indeed a choice. But not widely popular, taking your self out for movie, dinner and dancing. Course there are always other women. Surely you are not saying that letting a man screw you is the price of dinner and a movie. Eeeeew! What kind of scummy crowd do you run with? In my younger days I found there were women who would come right out and tell you they would "make it worth your time" if you'd come over for dinner, or a glass of wine, or whatever. I had one knock on my door unexpectedly and tell me she came over to "give herself to me." Why would any man want to pay for a dinner and a movie when you don't have to? Men learn quickly what kinds of women to tell "No thanks" to when they offer up their bodies for free. Those women can't handle it when a man turns them down. I've had women tell me I was gay because I wouldn't take what they were giving away. :-) But seriously, my point is men have the right to choose who they have sex with and who they don't have sex with and staying away from the easy lays is a good strategy for men to protect themselves from lots of problems. |
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Robert wrote:
"teachrmama" Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!! Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. The classic anti-choice anti-abortion argument. -- Ray Fischer |
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Chris wrote:
"Beverly" wrote in message On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:09:31 GMT, "Kenneth S." wrote: But so long as women made unilateral choices, they should bear the sole responsibility for their own choices. I agree with the statement as written; however, just because a woman CAN make a choice to abort while a man cannot does not necessarily make it a unilateral choice. Children born within a marriage are often a choice made by both, I sense a SLIGHT contradiction in the above statements. I sense an idiot who isn't smart enough to argue a point. -- Ray Fischer |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:56:02 -0700, "teachrmama" wrote: "elizabeth" wrote in message egroups.com... On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote: And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who have died from a tubal. Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd. OK, we're using Gina Knows Proof. The only cases that matter are the women Gina Knows. I know of women who have died and have had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs. Um--after they died from their tubals, they STILL had very, very serious complications from pills and IUDs?? That really IS bad!! Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom, unless he has absolute faith in his partner. The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the woman he is taking pleasure from. Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. No, YOU're the one who're the fool because you think that women are only responsible for pregnancies, not men. Guess what? Either you flunked the Sex Education classes or you just don't give a damn about women. If there are no men, then there will be no unwanted pregnancies. Get your head out of the sand and wake up. |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in Ohm grow up! What a fool. Any woman who cannot support a child should keep her panties on and herlegs together. Many who are 35 and older and should know better too! Make that a second stupid man who thinks that women can get pregnant by themselves. Men are in it too and to say that men are not responsible for pregnancies are like saying that Moon are made of blue cheese. Snap out of it! Men and women are both equally responsible for this! |
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Who has the ultimate right to choose?
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Robert" wrote in message ... Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is? Women have died from complications from a tubal. Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a tubal and died. Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be a real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for a woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a condom, unless he has absolute faith in his partner. The father of any child should support that child, even if he has to be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the woman he is taking pleasure from. My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they should do regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should be held financially responsible for my choice just as men are held financially responsible when women make unilateral choices. I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again. Here's the Lesson Number One: Only women can get pregnant, not men. Lesson Number Two: Men cannot get pregnant. Lesson Number Three: If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants to do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision without "the help of a darling man". Lesson Number Four: There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure you wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men? |
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