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School Breakfasts (and lunches)
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:31 -0400, "Stephanie"
wrote: Nan wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On 28 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0700, Banty wrote: Do all that "hunger choice' and food modelling with your other meals every day and during the breaks and summertime! The point of school lunches and breakfasts is to have something so that they can learn. Banty Exactly. While it might be not a good thing if kids aren't eating nutritious foods at home, the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. I could see the potential for that idea to backfire on the mentality of the school needing to improve the scores of the students. Nan So, assuming the schools should be in the job of providing the kids at all, they should provide junk foods in case that is what they are used to? They should provide *familiar* foods that kids by and large will eat. It doesn't have to be "junk food". She said they should not be forced to eat healthy food. No I didn't. ..." the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. " Are you having difficulty with the phrase "ONLY HEALTHY FOODS"? Nan |
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Nan wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:31 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Nan wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On 28 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0700, Banty wrote: Do all that "hunger choice' and food modelling with your other meals every day and during the breaks and summertime! The point of school lunches and breakfasts is to have something so that they can learn. Banty Exactly. While it might be not a good thing if kids aren't eating nutritious foods at home, the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. I could see the potential for that idea to backfire on the mentality of the school needing to improve the scores of the students. Nan So, assuming the schools should be in the job of providing the kids at all, they should provide junk foods in case that is what they are used to? They should provide *familiar* foods that kids by and large will eat. It doesn't have to be "junk food". She said they should not be forced to eat healthy food. No I didn't. ..." the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. " Are you having difficulty with the phrase "ONLY HEALTHY FOODS"? Nan What is the opposite of only healthy foods to you? I mean, it seems straight forward that if they don't offer only healthy foods, they offer NOT healthy foods. |
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Nan wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:31 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Nan wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On 28 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0700, Banty wrote: Do all that "hunger choice' and food modelling with your other meals every day and during the breaks and summertime! The point of school lunches and breakfasts is to have something so that they can learn. Banty Exactly. While it might be not a good thing if kids aren't eating nutritious foods at home, the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. I could see the potential for that idea to backfire on the mentality of the school needing to improve the scores of the students. Nan So, assuming the schools should be in the job of providing the kids at all, they should provide junk foods in case that is what they are used to? They should provide *familiar* foods that kids by and large will eat. It doesn't have to be "junk food". She said they should not be forced to eat healthy food. No I didn't. ..." the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. " Are you having difficulty with the phrase "ONLY HEALTHY FOODS"? Nan btw I am not trying to bust your chops. I don't really agree with you. And in some respects I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say SHOULD be done. But I don't mean to be getting up in your face. Sorry. |
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In article , Stephanie says...
Nan wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:31 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Nan wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On 28 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0700, Banty wrote: Do all that "hunger choice' and food modelling with your other meals every day and during the breaks and summertime! The point of school lunches and breakfasts is to have something so that they can learn. Banty Exactly. While it might be not a good thing if kids aren't eating nutritious foods at home, the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. I could see the potential for that idea to backfire on the mentality of the school needing to improve the scores of the students. Nan So, assuming the schools should be in the job of providing the kids at all, they should provide junk foods in case that is what they are used to? They should provide *familiar* foods that kids by and large will eat. It doesn't have to be "junk food". She said they should not be forced to eat healthy food. No I didn't. ..." the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. " Are you having difficulty with the phrase "ONLY HEALTHY FOODS"? Nan What is the opposite of only healthy foods to you? I mean, it seems straight forward that if they don't offer only healthy foods, they offer NOT healthy foods. Frankly, I've long lost track of what exactly you and Nan were advocating regarding "healthy foods" vs. "fast food" vs. any other kind of food (is spaghetti and tomato sauce a paragon of a healthy food? but is it bad, or junk food), and to what porportion, in the lunch cafeteria. Maybe you guys can clarify. Banty |
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Banty wrote:
In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:50:31 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Nan wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:13:42 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Nan wrote: On 28 Jul 2008 11:23:33 -0700, Banty wrote: Do all that "hunger choice' and food modelling with your other meals every day and during the breaks and summertime! The point of school lunches and breakfasts is to have something so that they can learn. Banty Exactly. While it might be not a good thing if kids aren't eating nutritious foods at home, the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. I could see the potential for that idea to backfire on the mentality of the school needing to improve the scores of the students. Nan So, assuming the schools should be in the job of providing the kids at all, they should provide junk foods in case that is what they are used to? They should provide *familiar* foods that kids by and large will eat. It doesn't have to be "junk food". She said they should not be forced to eat healthy food. No I didn't. ..." the school shouldn't take on the role of forcing kids to eat only "healthy" foods. " Are you having difficulty with the phrase "ONLY HEALTHY FOODS"? Nan What is the opposite of only healthy foods to you? I mean, it seems straight forward that if they don't offer only healthy foods, they offer NOT healthy foods. Frankly, I've long lost track of what exactly you and Nan were advocating regarding "healthy foods" vs. "fast food" vs. any other kind of food (is spaghetti and tomato sauce a paragon of a healthy food? but is it bad, or junk food), and to what porportion, in the lunch cafeteria. Maybe you guys can clarify. Banty Well there is a whole RANGE. It seems inconsitent to me to have health class and PE class and tout the virtues of healthy eating and then offer what I consider junk. Hot dogs - pure unadulterated junk. Spaghetti and meatballs can be fine as part of a meal, especially with whole wheat pasta. Mac n cheese made from scratch (preferably with veggies hidden inside) with whole wheat pasta or the garbanzo bean pasta you can get now. Homemade chicken nuggets and fries that are baked and not full of junk fillers but made out of chicken and potatoes. etcetera. I must hae misunderstood Nan. But she seemed to me to be saying that accessibility should trump health and that non-healthy foods should thus be offered. I disagree with that without question. |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:22:12 -0400, "Stephanie"
wrote: Well there is a whole RANGE. It seems inconsitent to me to have health class and PE class and tout the virtues of healthy eating and then offer what I consider junk. Hot dogs - pure unadulterated junk. Spaghetti and meatballs can be fine as part of a meal, especially with whole wheat pasta. Mac n cheese made from scratch (preferably with veggies hidden inside) with whole wheat pasta or the garbanzo bean pasta you can get now. Homemade chicken nuggets and fries that are baked and not full of junk fillers but made out of chicken and potatoes. etcetera. I must hae misunderstood Nan. But she seemed to me to be saying that accessibility should trump health and that non-healthy foods should thus be offered. I disagree with that without question. I think it's one of those 'lost in translation' things for me again. I consider sweet and sugar-loaded items to be junk more than I'd worry about whether mac and cheese is made with whole wheat pasta. Our school district is switching over to healthier items on a slow basis, in order to make the transition easier on the kids. It seems to be working well, although I know a few kids that have refused the whole wheat bread items completely. Luckily my dd will eat it even though we use white bread at home. I know, I know.... but it's what dh and I have always been used to and I resist change ;-) Nan |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:07:41 -0400, "Stephanie"
wrote: btw I am not trying to bust your chops. I don't really agree with you. And in some respects I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say SHOULD be done. But I don't mean to be getting up in your face. Sorry. Nah, my apology is necessary. Had a tough time sleeping due to the heat last night and I was tired this morning. Nan |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:13:54 GMT, Nan wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:07:41 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: btw I am not trying to bust your chops. I don't really agree with you. And in some respects I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say SHOULD be done. But I don't mean to be getting up in your face. Sorry. Nah, my apology is necessary. Had a tough time sleeping due to the heat last night and I was tired this morning. Nan Or did I post that yesterday and it was 100 degrees and miserable? Geez, my brain has taken a vacation. Either way, I apologize for being a bitch ;-) Nan |
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"Stephanie" wrote:
Banty wrote: In article , Stephanie says... Frankly, I've long lost track of what exactly you and Nan were advocating regarding "healthy foods" vs. "fast food" vs. any other kind of food (is spaghetti and tomato sauce a paragon of a healthy food? but is it bad, or junk food), and to what porportion, in the lunch cafeteria. Maybe you guys can clarify. Banty Well there is a whole RANGE. It seems inconsitent to me to have health class and PE class and tout the virtues of healthy eating and then offer what I consider junk. Hot dogs - pure unadulterated junk. Spaghetti and meatballs can be fine as part of a meal, especially with whole wheat pasta. Mac n cheese made from scratch (preferably with veggies hidden inside) with whole wheat pasta or the garbanzo bean pasta you can get now. Homemade chicken nuggets and fries that are baked and not full of junk fillers but made out of chicken and potatoes. etcetera. I must hae misunderstood Nan. But she seemed to me to be saying that accessibility should trump health and that non-healthy foods should thus be offered. I disagree with that without question. Hot dogs, while they have preservatives, aren't pure junk as they have protein. Mac and cheese - also has some nutrients. I object on principle to hiding veggies in something else. I would regard candy and foods that were almost all sugar as being junk foods. Basically I would not be hard line on 'healthy' foods having had some picky eaters who would not make a fuss but would just not eat if they didn't like what was offered. I've had two of them who passed out during afternoon activities because they didn't care for what was served at lunch. One of them was at a Pony Club rally and passed out in her horse's stall. One of them 'fell out' in formation at the US Air Force Academy. It wasn't that they wanted junk foods necessarily. It was that they didn't like certain combinations or certain foods. One will eat no fish or seafood except fried shrimp, and will eat almost no vegetables except salad. This dd is now an adult of age 44. |
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Nan wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:22:12 -0400, "Stephanie" wrote: Well there is a whole RANGE. It seems inconsitent to me to have health class and PE class and tout the virtues of healthy eating and then offer what I consider junk. Hot dogs - pure unadulterated junk. Spaghetti and meatballs can be fine as part of a meal, especially with whole wheat pasta. Mac n cheese made from scratch (preferably with veggies hidden inside) with whole wheat pasta or the garbanzo bean pasta you can get now. Homemade chicken nuggets and fries that are baked and not full of junk fillers but made out of chicken and potatoes. etcetera. I must hae misunderstood Nan. But she seemed to me to be saying that accessibility should trump health and that non-healthy foods should thus be offered. I disagree with that without question. I think it's one of those 'lost in translation' things for me again. I consider sweet and sugar-loaded items to be junk more than I'd worry about whether mac and cheese is made with whole wheat pasta. Our school district is switching over to healthier items on a slow basis, in order to make the transition easier on the kids. THAT is totally sensible. It seems to be working well, although I know a few kids that have refused the whole wheat bread items completely. Luckily my dd will eat it even though we use white bread at home. I know, I know.... but it's what dh and I have always been used to and I resist change ;-) Nan |
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