American kids getting high on prescription drugs

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How it works? ADHD drugs are not addictive when taken as prescribed. In
fact, when taken as prescribed, they decrease drug abuse in people with
ADHD.

Jeff

FACT: ADHD drugs ARE being abused.

FACT: Jeff snipped and diverted:

FACT: ADHD drugs ARE being abused.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi...document_id=20...


Excerpts:


Millions have misused ADHD stimulant drugs, study says


"Houston, we have got a problem because we are just in the middle of this
epidemic."


Actually, your statement is NOT true.


NOT for cocaine!!!!

Further FACT:

Mark Probert just lied:

A study was posted in ASAD which Jan never responded to, but was in the
thread, that just the opposite is true. I posted several studies showing
that treatment prevents abuse.

FACT: I did respond, it was posted right here.

Mark was asked to post the study he has long tooted about Ritalin, he could
not.

Instead he posted other studies, which I repsoned to, which showed the FACT
as I stated above:

NOT for cocaine!!!!

Mark is a proven liar, once again.

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WHERE is the Ritalin study, Mark?


One study found that Ritalin actually reduced substance abuse by a factor
of six.


I am sorry, Jan, but I had trouble understanding your cryptic question.



Oh really?

Exactly what part was *cryptic*?


Any more lies, Mark?



However, the fact is, and is well documented, that treatment with Ritalin,
does, indeed, decrease the risk of drug abuse:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...tract/111/1/97



My, my from Pediatrics.

This is NOT the Ritalin Study reduced substance abuse by a factor of
six..



Conclusion. This study concurs with 11 previous studies in finding no
compelling evidence that stimulant treatment of children with
attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder leads to an increased risk for
substance experimentation, use, dependence, or abuse by adulthood.



OOPPPSSS.

#1. This is NOT the Ritalin study and YOU know it.


#2. YOU left this out!


Stimulant treatment in high school also did not influence drug use in
adulthood except for greater use of cocaine.


WOW!!!!!



http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs...ap.2005.15.764


Conclusion: While these results cannot demonstrate cause and effect, our
findings indicate that psychostimulant treatment of childhood ADHD is
associated with reduced risk for later substance abuse among boys with
ADHD.



Totally irrelevant to the Rialin study.


http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs...5.799?cookieSe...

Conclusions: Results of our preliminary study indicated that ADHD symptom
control may be important to protect against increased risk of substance
use (particularly tobacco and drugs other than alcohol and marijuana)
among college-age students with ADHD. Further studies of misuse/diversion
of prescription stimulant medication among college students are needed.


In fact, one study found that methylphenidate may be useful in treating
substance abuse disorder.


J Addict Dis. 2004;23(1):77-92. Related Articles, Links


An open-label pilot study of methylphenidate in the treatment of cocaine
dependent patients with adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder.


Somoza EC, Winhusen TM, Bridge TP, Rotrosen JP, Vanderburg DG, Harrer JM,
Mezinskis JP, Montgomery MA, Ciraulo DA, Wulsin LR, Barrett JA.


Cincinnati VA/UC NIDA MDRU, VA Medical Center, 3200 Vine Street,
Cincinnati, OH 45220, USA.


A multi-site, open-label study of methylphenidate for treating patients
with comorbid diagnoses of attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and
cocaine dependence was performed. Forty-one participants, who met DSM-IV
criteria for adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and cocaine
dependence, were enrolled into this ten week outpatient study. The
targeted total daily dose of methylphenidate was 60 mg (20 mg TID).
Participants received individual substance abuse therapy throughout the
trial. Safety measures included adverse events, vital signs, and
electrocardiograms. Methylphenidate's efficacy was assessed by both
objective and subjective measures. Seventy percent of the participants
completed final study measures. Safety measures indicated that
methylphenidate was well tolerated by the participants. Subjective
efficacy measures suggested that participants evidenced improvement in
both cocaine dependence and adult attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder
symptoms. Quantitative benzoylecgonine indicated that only those
participants categorized as being compliant showed improvement. A
double-blind, placebo-controlled study of methylphenidate for this
population may be warranted.


Publication Types: Clinical Trial



I can only conclude the Ritalin study YOU have tooted as YOUR argument does
NOT exist.

Furthermore, YOU clearly understood my question all along.

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Now I know where it comes from, bigotry and hate.
No one is born that stupid.

I see no hatred in Skeptic's post, and posting ones own beliefs is
not bigotry.

Not everyone who speaks English actually know it. Some just have a
need to use "big" or "cool" words.

?
--
"Bigotry" and "hate" amongst others are popular words to use and people
use them without properly knowing how.

Bigoted and hateful persons always revert to half truths as did Skeptic.

He only needed to say that he is an atheist. Simple.
BUT
the bigotry and hate came out.


Now the REAL reason is he thinks doctors are gods and he doesn't like
competition.

His limited education has not encountered the 80 / 20 rule of
performance or competence. He has stated clearly that if it did, it
doesn't apply to doctors. Translation; Doctors are super human AKA
gods.

Please provide evidence for your imaginary rule. Evidence. Proof.
Studies, well documented. Otherwise, stop smoking crack.

Take a course in Psychology, OR business, OR management, OR Hospital
management, OR education, OR sales, OR Engineering, OR teaching or, just
get a basic education other than rote learning.

OR management
OR management
OR Lab tech manager
OR management

Ask your hospital administrator. I know that is WAY below your dignity to
talk to them directly, but try. If he /she is smart he / she will exclude
doctors.

A small list (20 of 280 in a search)

Pareto's Principle - The 80-20 Rule
Pareto's Principle or the 80-20 Rule helps you manage those things that
really make a difference to your results.
management.about.com/cs/generalmanagement/a/Pareto... [Found on Google,
Yahoo! Search, Ask.com, About]
2.
The 80/20 Rule of Time Management - September 2000 Family Practice ...
Simply put, the 80/20 rule states that the relationship between input and
output ... However, you don't need to read the book to begin using the
80/20 rule. ...
www.aafp.org/fpm/20000900/76the8.html [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search,
Ask.com]
3.
Pareto principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital
few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that for many phenomena,
...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search,
Ask.com]
4.
80-20 Marketing: Free Report
80% of your sales will come from just 20% of your customers. Learn how to
use the 80-20 Principle to make more from the top by losing less from the
bottom. Free Report.
Sponsored by: www.80-20marketing.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
5.
Hire the 20% of the 80 20 Rule
The 80/20 rule says that about 20 percent of your employees will perform
at high levels of excellence and about 80 percent will perform at average
or minimum performance levels.
Sponsored by: www.hiresmart.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
6.
80/20 Rule (aka 80:20 Rule or 80 20 Rule)
Vilfredo Pareto established that 80% of the land in Italy was owned by 20%
of the population, and his legendary 80/20 rule lives on today.
www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c010527d.asp [Found on Google, Yahoo!
Search]
7.
Bloug: 80/20 Again Critical Architectural Junctures
... Information architecture design practices lean on the 80/20 Rule (aka
the Pareto Principle) time and time again ... as it is, let's not take the
80/20 Rule too literally ...
louisrosenfeld.com/home/bloug_archive/000122.html [Found on Yahoo!
Search, Ask.com]
8.
Apply the 80/20 Rule to Everything
Read about this simple concept that has applications in both economic and
practical senses.
www.mercola.com/2001/nov/3/80_20_rule.htm [Found on Google, Yahoo!
Search]
9.
ongoing · TPSM-12: 80/20 Point
Some technologies have this 80/20 feel, some don?t, and around this
subject swirl some of our ... The 80/20 Tribe?s offerings are denounced as
?Just a toy! ...
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/20.../01/14/TPSM-80... [Found on Google,
Yahoo! Search]
10.
The Pareto Principle (a.k.a. The 80:20 Rule)
... The Pareto Principle (a.k.a. The 80:20 Rule) by John D ... The Pareto
Principle or the 80:20 Rule has proven its validity in a number of other
areas ...
www.4hb.com/08jcparetoprinciple.html [Found on Yahoo! Search, Ask.com]
11.
80/20 Loan
How much is to much for closing. Avoid 3 common mistakes. Compare real
offers for your loan.
Sponsored by: www.bestratesfrom.us [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
12.
80-20 Marketing
How to sell more by marketing less. Get your free report today.
Sponsored by: www.80-20Marketing.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
13.
The 80/20 Rule
Use the 80/20 rule to get the most out of your business.
www.tbookman.co.uk/80_20_rule.htm [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search]
14.
Pareto principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from 80-20 rule). Jump to: navigation, search. The Pareto
principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the
principle of ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80-20_rule [Found on Google]
15.
The Pareto Principle: Applying the 80/20 Rule to Your Business
Articles E-mail Bio The Pareto Principle: Applying the 80/20 Rule to Your
Business ROI Marketing. Sponsored by WebTrends...
www.clickz.com/sales/traffic/article.php/988291 [Found on Ask.com]
16.
The Top 10 80/20 Rule Maxims
The Top 10 80/20 Rule Maxims. Category: Effectiveness Skills, Results
(AG22) Originally Submitted on 12/16/96.
www.topten.org/content/tt.AG22.htm [Found on Ask.com]
17.
Sales Performance - Sales Team Performance
We refer to this sales performance gap as ?the 80/20 Rule in Selling,?
where 80% of sales are delivered by just 20% of salespeople (the top
performers). ...
www.8020salesperformance.com/ [Found on Google]
18.
80/20 Extrusion
Find 80/20 products, distributors, integrators, trainings, and more!
Sponsored by: www.localautomation.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
19.
Pareto and the 80/20 Rule
I make Money using Nothing But the Pareto Principle and the 80/20 Rule
Sponsored by: 8020success.50webs.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
20.
Sales Performance - Sales Team Performance
You can beat the 80/20 Rule in Selling with the Right FormulaT
www.8020performance.com/ [Found on Ask.com]

Not a single shred of evidence to support your claim. There are lots of
"rules" in society. Most are, as above, full of crap. Provide proof that
80% of doctors are no good and at least 33% are dangerous, as you have
claimed. Evidence, not people's opinions.

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American kids getting high on prescription drugs


So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena?
Sure, drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with
mha? Why post it here?
--


--Rich


it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo addicts
UK) and the need to use nutrients which don't have these problems,
quite aprt from the drug pusing of the drug companies by inventing
diseases such ADHD http://www.adhdfraud.com/

No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes getting
addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff

Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on prescription
drugs, because they are DRUGGED starting early as young as age two,
FILLING THE BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the
medicine cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access.
Americans have done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan and
must reach for a pill. We have been taught to believe the LIE to
reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.

The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.

And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?

Any than harass?

Jumping in for a moment... Jan, which topic are you really trying to
discuss... whether or not ADHD should be treated medically or the
abuse of prescription drugs? Two different topics.

I know it's over your head but usually, here, treated medically IS
prescription drugs.

Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.

Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.

If they're getting high from a prescribed dose of a prescribed dose of
medication, that is one issue. If they're getting high from stealing
prescription medications and using them recklessly, that is another
issue.

**American** kids getting high on prescrription drugs IS the issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs

BOSTON (Reuters) - When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

How did he get the oxycontin? Was it from his father's supply? If so,
isn't the family to blame???

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Now I know where it comes from, bigotry and hate.
No one is born that stupid.

I see no hatred in Skeptic's post, and posting ones own beliefs is
not bigotry.

Not everyone who speaks English actually know it. Some just have a
need to use "big" or "cool" words.

?
--
"Bigotry" and "hate" amongst others are popular words to use and
people use them without properly knowing how.

Bigoted and hateful persons always revert to half truths as did
Skeptic.

He only needed to say that he is an atheist. Simple.
BUT
the bigotry and hate came out.


Now the REAL reason is he thinks doctors are gods and he doesn't like
competition.

His limited education has not encountered the 80 / 20 rule of
performance or competence. He has stated clearly that if it did, it
doesn't apply to doctors. Translation; Doctors are super human AKA
gods.

Please provide evidence for your imaginary rule. Evidence. Proof.
Studies, well documented. Otherwise, stop smoking crack.

Take a course in Psychology, OR business, OR management, OR Hospital
management, OR education, OR sales, OR Engineering, OR teaching or, just
get a basic education other than rote learning.

OR management
OR management
OR Lab tech manager
OR management

Ask your hospital administrator. I know that is WAY below your dignity
to talk to them directly, but try. If he /she is smart he / she will
exclude doctors.

A small list (20 of 280 in a search)

Pareto's Principle - The 80-20 Rule
Pareto's Principle or the 80-20 Rule helps you manage those things that
really make a difference to your results.
management.about.com/cs/generalmanagement/a/Pareto... [Found on Google,
Yahoo! Search, Ask.com, About]
2.
The 80/20 Rule of Time Management - September 2000 Family Practice ...
Simply put, the 80/20 rule states that the relationship between input and
output ... However, you don't need to read the book to begin using the
80/20 rule. ...
www.aafp.org/fpm/20000900/76the8.html [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search,
Ask.com]
3.
Pareto principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Pareto principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital
few and the principle of factor sparsity) states that for many phenomena,
...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search,
Ask.com]
4.
80-20 Marketing: Free Report
80% of your sales will come from just 20% of your customers. Learn how to
use the 80-20 Principle to make more from the top by losing less from the
bottom. Free Report.
Sponsored by: www.80-20marketing.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
5.
Hire the 20% of the 80 20 Rule
The 80/20 rule says that about 20 percent of your employees will perform
at high levels of excellence and about 80 percent will perform at average
or minimum performance levels.
Sponsored by: www.hiresmart.com [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
6.
80/20 Rule (aka 80:20 Rule or 80 20 Rule)
Vilfredo Pareto established that 80% of the land in Italy was owned by
20% of the population, and his legendary 80/20 rule lives on today.
www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c010527d.asp [Found on Google, Yahoo!
Search]
7.
Bloug: 80/20 Again Critical Architectural Junctures
... Information architecture design practices lean on the 80/20 Rule (aka
the Pareto Principle) time and time again ... as it is, let's not take
the 80/20 Rule too literally ...
louisrosenfeld.com/home/bloug_archive/000122.html [Found on Yahoo!
Search, Ask.com]
8.
Apply the 80/20 Rule to Everything
Read about this simple concept that has applications in both economic and
practical senses.
www.mercola.com/2001/nov/3/80_20_rule.htm [Found on Google, Yahoo!
Search]
9.
ongoing · TPSM-12: 80/20 Point
Some technologies have this 80/20 feel, some don?t, and around this
subject swirl some of our ... The 80/20 Tribe?s offerings are denounced
as ?Just a toy! ...
http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/20.../01/14/TPSM-80... [Found on Google,
Yahoo! Search]
10.
The Pareto Principle (a.k.a. The 80:20 Rule)
... The Pareto Principle (a.k.a. The 80:20 Rule) by John D ... The Pareto
Principle or the 80:20 Rule has proven its validity in a number of other
areas ...
www.4hb.com/08jcparetoprinciple.html [Found on Yahoo! Search, Ask.com]
11.
80/20 Loan
How much is to much for closing. Avoid 3 common mistakes. Compare real
offers for your loan.
Sponsored by: www.bestratesfrom.us [Found on Ads by Yahoo!]
12.
80-20 Marketing
How to sell more by marketing less. Get your free report today.
Sponsored by: www.80-20Marketing.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
13.
The 80/20 Rule
Use the 80/20 rule to get the most out of your business.
www.tbookman.co.uk/80_20_rule.htm [Found on Google, Yahoo! Search]
14.
Pareto principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from 80-20 rule). Jump to: navigation, search. The Pareto
principle (also known as the 80-20 rule, the law of the vital few and the
principle of ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80-20_rule [Found on Google]
15.
The Pareto Principle: Applying the 80/20 Rule to Your Business
Articles E-mail Bio The Pareto Principle: Applying the 80/20 Rule to Your
Business ROI Marketing. Sponsored by WebTrends...
www.clickz.com/sales/traffic/article.php/988291 [Found on Ask.com]
16.
The Top 10 80/20 Rule Maxims
The Top 10 80/20 Rule Maxims. Category: Effectiveness Skills, Results
(AG22) Originally Submitted on 12/16/96.
www.topten.org/content/tt.AG22.htm [Found on Ask.com]
17.
Sales Performance - Sales Team Performance
We refer to this sales performance gap as ?the 80/20 Rule in Selling,?
where 80% of sales are delivered by just 20% of salespeople (the top
performers). ...
www.8020salesperformance.com/ [Found on Google]
18.
80/20 Extrusion
Find 80/20 products, distributors, integrators, trainings, and more!
Sponsored by: www.localautomation.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
19.
Pareto and the 80/20 Rule
I make Money using Nothing But the Pareto Principle and the 80/20 Rule
Sponsored by: 8020success.50webs.com/ [Found on Ads by Google]
20.
Sales Performance - Sales Team Performance
You can beat the 80/20 Rule in Selling with the Right FormulaT
www.8020performance.com/ [Found on Ask.com]

Not a single shred of evidence to support your claim.


O.K. so they don't teach Psychology, OR business, OR management, OR
Hospital
management, OR education, OR sales, OR Engineering, OR teaching or, just get
a basic education other than rote learning.

OR management
OR management
OR Lab tech manager
OR management


Or English OR logic in YOUR med school.

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American kids getting high on prescription drugs


So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena?
Sure, drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with
mha? Why post it here?
--


--Rich


it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo addicts
UK) and the need to use nutrients which don't have these
problems, quite aprt from the drug pusing of the drug companies
by inventing diseases such ADHD http://www.adhdfraud.com/

No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes
getting addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff

Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on prescription
drugs, because they are DRUGGED starting early as young as age two,
FILLING THE BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the
medicine cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access.
Americans have done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan and
must reach for a pill. We have been taught to believe the LIE to
reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.

The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.

And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?

Any than harass?

Jumping in for a moment... Jan, which topic are you really trying to
discuss... whether or not ADHD should be treated medically or the
abuse of prescription drugs? Two different topics.

I know it's over your head but usually, here, treated medically IS
prescription drugs.

Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.

Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.

If they're getting high from a prescribed dose of a prescribed dose of
medication, that is one issue. If they're getting high from stealing
prescription medications and using them recklessly, that is another
issue.

**American** kids getting high on prescrription drugs IS the issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs

BOSTON (Reuters) - When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

How did he get the oxycontin? Was it from his father's supply? If so,
isn't the family to blame???


Yes. (not the prescribing doctor or drug company)

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American kids getting high on prescription drugs


So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena?
Sure, drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with
mha? Why post it here?
--


--Rich


it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo
addicts UK) and the need to use nutrients which don't have these
problems, quite aprt from the drug pusing of the drug companies
by inventing diseases such ADHD http://www.adhdfraud.com/

No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes
getting addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff

Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on prescription
drugs, because they are DRUGGED starting early as young as age
two, FILLING THE BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the
medicine cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access.
Americans have done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan
and must reach for a pill. We have been taught to believe the LIE
to reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.

The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.

And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?

Any than harass?

Jumping in for a moment... Jan, which topic are you really trying
to discuss... whether or not ADHD should be treated medically or
the abuse of prescription drugs? Two different topics.

I know it's over your head but usually, here, treated medically IS
prescription drugs.

Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.

Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.

If they're getting high from a prescribed dose of a prescribed dose of
medication, that is one issue. If they're getting high from stealing
prescription medications and using them recklessly, that is another
issue.

**American** kids getting high on prescrription drugs IS the issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs

BOSTON (Reuters) - When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

How did he get the oxycontin? Was it from his father's supply? If so,
isn't the family to blame???


Yes.

When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

Yes.

So, Veron is ready to blame the father for dying.



(not the prescribing doctor or drug company)

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I said real evidence, not bull doo-doo.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/ortho.html


http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html

Jan Drew wrote:
"Mark Probert" can not post without lying.

I posted my conclusion based on all of your posted drivel.

He has proven that several times just today.

only in your so-called mind.

C A III A wrote:
Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.
Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.
But I do not think anyone disagrees with that.
Yes, but Jan Drew wants the medications removed from society and prayer to
Jesus being the only permitted treatment.

Jan Drew wrote:
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Ilena wrote in message
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American kids getting high on prescription drugs

So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena?
Sure, drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with
mha? Why post it here?
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--Rich

it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo
addicts UK) and the need to use nutrients which don't have these
problems, quite aprt from the drug pusing of the drug companies
by inventing diseases such ADHD http://www.adhdfraud.com/
No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes
getting addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff
Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on prescription
drugs, because they are DRUGGED starting early as young as age
two, FILLING THE BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT IS DEVELOPED.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the
medicine cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access.
Americans have done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan
and must reach for a pill. We have been taught to believe the LIE
to reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.

The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.

And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?

Any than harass?
Jumping in for a moment... Jan, which topic are you really trying
to discuss... whether or not ADHD should be treated medically or
the abuse of prescription drugs? Two different topics.
I know it's over your head but usually, here, treated medically IS
prescription drugs.
Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.
Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.
If they're getting high from a prescribed dose of a prescribed dose of
medication, that is one issue. If they're getting high from stealing
prescription medications and using them recklessly, that is another
issue.
**American** kids getting high on prescrription drugs IS the issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs

BOSTON (Reuters) - When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.
How did he get the oxycontin? Was it from his father's supply? If so,
isn't the family to blame???

Yes.

When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

Yes.

So, Veron is ready to blame the father for dying.

OK, the dead father is not responsible for leaving the medication behind.

HOWEVER, other adults did not exercise due care and dispose of this
medication.

They bear some degree of responsibility along with the kid. The pills
did not just jump out of the medicine cabinet and force their way down
the kids throat.




(not the prescribing doctor or drug company)

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Ilena wrote in message
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American kids getting high on prescription drugs


So what do you propose should be done about all this, Ilena?
Sure, drug abuse is a problem. What does this have to do with
mha? Why post it here?
--


--Rich


it shows the real nature of pharma med (1.5 million benzo
addicts UK) and the need to use nutrients which don't have
these problems, quite aprt from the drug pusing of the drug
companies by inventing diseases such ADHD
http://www.adhdfraud.com/

No, it does not. It shows real human nature, which includes
getting addicted to drugs of abuse.

Jeff

Quite wrong.

It show the INCREASE of American kids getting high on
prescription drugs, because they are DRUGGED starting early as
young as age two, FILLING THE BRAIN FULL OF CHEMICALS BEFORE IT
IS DEVELOPED.

This comes form the INSANITY of the *organized medicine* and drug
companies, for the sole purpose of GETTING RICH.

Next it shows that the parents are also replying on DRUGS and the
medicine cabinets are full, where the teenagers have full access.
Americans have done away with GOD and have been fooled by Satan
and must reach for a pill. We have been taught to believe the LIE
to reply on DRUGS and thrown GOD and his son JESUS CHRIST out.

Americans are reaping what they have sown.

The fools on the newsgroup are a fine example.

And, btw, What does Rich propose should be done about it?

Any than harass?

Jumping in for a moment... Jan, which topic are you really trying
to discuss... whether or not ADHD should be treated medically or
the abuse of prescription drugs? Two different topics.

I know it's over your head but usually, here, treated medically IS
prescription drugs.

Try to follow along. There are two issues at hand.

Wrong, There is one issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs.

If they're getting high from a prescribed dose of a prescribed dose of
medication, that is one issue. If they're getting high from stealing
prescription medications and using them recklessly, that is another
issue.

**American** kids getting high on prescrription drugs IS the issue.

American kids getting high on prescription drugs

BOSTON (Reuters) - When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

How did he get the oxycontin? Was it from his father's supply? If so,
isn't the family to blame???


Yes.

When Paul Michaud's father died of cancer, the
16-year-old took OxyContin to ease his emotional pain.

Yes.

So, Veron is ready to blame the father for dying.
(not the prescribing doctor or drug company)


Well if the father died and other adults refused to take care of the
"child", and the State rrefused, then you have a problem.

Before the father died, was the father incapable of controlling where the
"gun" was located?