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Old August 28th 03, 01:32 PM
Tim Worstall
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Default The economics of free choice

"Robert J. Kolker" wrote in message news:OtZ2b.272964$Ho3.36269@sccrnsc03...
Tim Worstall wrote:
These are the sort of things that Libertarian ideals bring you
to.....nothing to do withownership as you can see, except in the sense
that I own my body.


While I share your libertarian twitches, I wonder if the consequences of
drug use isolated just to the user. For example, how does drug use
affect one's driving. Or will continued drug use lead a person to become
non-productive and a burden on others.


I do address that point : Driving under the influence should continue
to be a crime.

We live in a society where we don't just let people die (perhaps we
should, but we don't). So the usual libertarian arguments that one's
personal habits affect only the person, don't quite hold true.


I agree that they don't hold true entirely. Especially where there are
charity r Govt funded medical services, there is then some component
of cost to others of drug taking. Yet I would also point out that the
vast majority of drug costs come from their very illegality :
adulteration and inconsistent dosing.

The drug most worrying in Europe is heroin ....it's been pointed out
that if the National Health Service were to prescribe H to registered
addicts ( as they used to ) then a weeks supply of pahrmaceutically
pure H would be less than the 6 pounds or so charged for the
prescription. The NHS would make a profit on hte deal.

One could, and I do, argue that the lowering of costs on police,
jails, gang warfare, interdiction and the rest would be less than the
costs of treating an increase in addicts.

Tim Worstall

If we kept people from driving if they are not alert and allowed them to
die if they became sick or unemployed and used up their own resources,
one would be able to make a stronger argument for the principle --- its
my body---.

Bob Kolker


Tim Worstall

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Old August 28th 03, 02:14 PM
Jeff
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"Roger Schlafly" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote
That is a goofy and idiotic statement.

Can you please explain what is wrong with the statement?


It says that evolution towards "near laissez-faire" will
incur some market failure. What is he trying to say?


No, that laissez-faire is not perfect either.

That if the markets are imperfect, then some of the markets
won't be perfect? If so, that is a tautology.


No, that is you putting words in his mouth.

Or maybe he is
saying that anything that is not perfect laissez-faire will
have market failure?


No, I think he is saying that laissez-faire itself is not perfect and with
laissez-faire, some people will be hurt.

If so, then that is an argument in favor
of laissez-faire, not against.

Then he complains that asymptotic laissez-faire utopia will
have some inequalities. Guess what -- all societies have
inequalities. And certainly all free societies have inequalities.


I think he is saying that when a society gets to close to laissez-faire,
inequalities start to go up.

I guess someone posted the quote in order to make an argument
that Samuelson is against asymptotic laissez-faire utopia,


I disagree. I think someone posted this to make an arguement that
laissiez-faire itself is not utopia.

and
he is an authority on the subject, and therefore it is a bad
thing. But he is really saying that it doesn't exist because his
political views are such that it is not his idea of utopia. That
proves nothing. No one here was advocating asymptotic
laissez-faire utopia anyway.


I would love utopia, any type, if it existed on earth.

Jeff



 




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