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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. Get you one that works...NOT kidsdoc. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Not a matter of what I think. Facts are facts. That conclusion is made by people who are not practicing science, like 2003 Congressional committee and the idiot "doctor" in Florida. Jeff |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"HCN" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/BUYfromUS.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Even worse she shilling for a company that sells quack meds to desperate people! Liar. That conclusion is made by people who are not practicing science, like 2003 Congressional committee and the idiot "doctor" in Florida. Jeff |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"Jan Drew" wrote:
"HCN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/BUYfromUS.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Even worse she shilling for a company that sells quack meds to desperate people! Liar. What does Dr Haley do for a living, Jan? What is the web site where he sells what provides that living, Jan? Oh, that's right, Dr Haley sells testing and treatments, and he does it through the Altcorp site. Now, who's doing the lying ... ? That conclusion is made by people who are not practicing science, like 2003 Congressional committee and the idiot "doctor" in Florida. Jeff -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"Jan Drew" wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message link.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. Get you one that works...NOT kidsdoc. The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please try the following: Click the Refresh button, or try again later. If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly. To check your connection settings, click the Tools menu, and then click Internet Options. On the Connections tab, click Settings. The settings should match those provided by your local area network (LAN) administrator or Internet service provider (ISP). See if your Internet connection settings are being detected. You can set Microsoft Windows to examine your network and automatically discover network connection settings (if your network administrator has enabled this setting). Click the Tools menu, and then click Internet Options. On the Connections tab, click LAN Settings. Select Automatically detect settings, and then click OK. Some sites require 128-bit connection security. Click the Help menu and then click About Internet Explorer to determine what strength security you have installed. If you are trying to reach a secure site, make sure your Security settings can support it. Click the Tools menu, and then click Internet Options. On the Advanced tab, scroll to the Security section and check settings for SSL 2.0, SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0, PCT 1.0. Click the Back button to try another link. Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer Are you familiar with the expression "Shove it up your arse, Jan"? 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Not a matter of what I think. Facts are facts. What has the word "facts" go to do with Dr Haley's commercial web site? -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Vaccine autism quote of the week by Richard C. Deth, PhD
Unequivocally, There is Strong Evidence Linking Thimerosal to Autism
Open Letter to Gov. Linda Lingle By Richard C. Deth, PhD, 7/3/2006 11:45:51 AM I am a neuropharmacologist and Full Professor at Northeastern University in Boston who has been investigating the molecular origins of neurodevelopmental and neuropsychiatric disorders. For the past few years much of my lab's work has focused on autism, including an evaluation of the possible contribution of thimerosal, the ethylmercury-containing vaccine preservative. Based upon my expertise in this area I have testified to Congress on several occasions, appeared on NBC Nightly News and in several documentaries and presented our findings at numerous scientific conferences. I understand that you are currently evaluating legislation to removal thimerosal from vaccines used in Hawaii. Let me state unequivocally that there is strong scientific evidence linking thimerosal to autism, so taking steps to remove it from vaccines is a true "no-brainer". Moreover, it is vital that states indicate their expectation of thimerosal-free vaccines in order to shift the pharmaceutical industry to this safer form. Public confidence in the vaccination program will be greatly increased when mercury is removed, allowing the full public health benefits without the unnecessary mercury burden. Our research has shown that very low concentrations of thimerosal, typical of those found in the blood following vaccination, cause strong inhibition of metabolic processes that are crucial to neuronal cell well-being and survival. The most sensitive of these processes involves sulfur metabolism, including the anti-oxidant defense mechanism that is critical to all cells. The effect of thimerosal is to significantly lower levels of glutathione, the primary cellular antioxidant. Studies of autistic children clearly show that they are suffering from oxidative stress and their glutathione levels are reduced by 40-50%. Thus the toxic metabolic actions of thimerosal are paralleled in clinical studies of autistic children. In further studies we showed that thimerosal inhibits a key cellular process called "methylation", in which various activities, including gene expression, are controlled by the transfer of a single carbon atom. Methylation is closely linked to oxidative stress, and when thimerosal induces oxidative stress, it also causes impaired methylation. Again, blood tests in autistic children show that they have impaired methylation. Furthermore, metabolic therapies that help restore methylation have been able to improve the clinical symptoms of many autistic children, strongly indicating that this metabolic dysfunction plays a central role. Genetic studies have also revealed a higher frequency of risk-inducing polymorphisms and mutations affecting methylation and sulfur metabolism. Our most recent research indicates that the brain has a particularly higher vulnerability to oxidative stress, which helps explain why neurological problems occur with low doses of thimerosal. The point of all this scientific background is to reinforce the common sense logic of reducing mercury exposure by all possible routes, including vaccine-related. It is illogical to inject mercury into anyone, at any age, and you will be doing a service to all Hawaiians by helping to restrict their exposure by signing SB2133 part II. If I can help provide any further background, please feel to contact me. I am eager to assist. Richard C. Deth, PhD is a Professor of Pharmacology for Northeastern University in Boston, Massachusetts http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....3-8439e50ac607 |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message news "Jan Drew" wrote: "HCN" wrote in message m... "Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/BUYfromUS.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Even worse she shilling for a company that sells quack meds to desperate people! Liar. What does Dr Haley do for a living, Jan? What is the web site where he sells what provides that living, Jan? Oh, that's right, Dr Haley sells testing and treatments, and he does it through the Altcorp site. Now, who's doing the lying ... ? There is an old saying; "Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to stupidity." I will let the reader determine if it applies here. Jeff |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. Get you one that works...NOT kidsdoc. My computer works just fine. For some reason, the ISP doesn't connect to the site. I can't ping the URL, either. I can ping google.com, so it is not a problem with my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Not a matter of what I think. Facts are facts. And the fact is that they are not "experts." They/re Idiots or shills. Jeff |
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Vaccine autism quote of the week by Richard C. Deth, PhD
"john" wrote in message ... Unequivocally, There is Strong Evidence Linking Thimerosal to Autism Open Letter to Gov. Linda Lingle By Richard C. Deth, PhD, 7/3/2006 11:45:51 AM I am a neuropharmacologist and Full Professor at Northeastern University in Boston who has been investigating the molecular origins of neurodevelopmental and neuropsychiatric disorders. For the past few years much of my lab's work has focused on autism, including an evaluation of the possible contribution of thimerosal, the ethylmercury-containing vaccine preservative. Based upon my expertise in this area I have testified to Congress on several occasions, appeared on NBC Nightly News and in several documentaries and presented our findings at numerous scientific conferences. I understand that you are currently evaluating legislation to removal thimerosal from vaccines used in Hawaii. Let me state unequivocally that there is strong scientific evidence linking thimerosal to autism, so taking steps to remove it from vaccines is a true "no-brainer". Moreover, it is vital that states indicate their expectation of thimerosal-free vaccines in order to shift the pharmaceutical industry to this safer form. Public confidence in the vaccination program will be greatly increased when mercury is removed, allowing the full public health benefits without the unnecessary mercury burden. Our research has shown that very low concentrations of thimerosal, typical of those found in the blood following vaccination, cause strong inhibition of metabolic processes that are crucial to neuronal cell well-being and survival. The most sensitive of these processes involves sulfur metabolism, including the anti-oxidant defense mechanism that is critical to all cells. The effect of thimerosal is to significantly lower levels of glutathione, the primary cellular antioxidant. Studies of autistic children clearly show that they are suffering from oxidative stress and their glutathione levels are reduced by 40-50%. Thus the toxic metabolic actions of thimerosal are paralleled in clinical studies of autistic children. In further studies we showed that thimerosal inhibits a key cellular process called "methylation", in which various activities, including gene expression, are controlled by the transfer of a single carbon atom. Methylation is closely linked to oxidative stress, and when thimerosal induces oxidative stress, it also causes impaired methylation. Again, blood tests in autistic children show that they have impaired methylation. Furthermore, metabolic therapies that help restore methylation have been able to improve the clinical symptoms of many autistic children, strongly indicating that this metabolic dysfunction plays a central role. Genetic studies have also revealed a higher frequency of risk-inducing polymorphisms and mutations affecting methylation and sulfur metabolism. Our most recent research indicates that the brain has a particularly higher vulnerability to oxidative stress, which helps explain why neurological problems occur with low doses of thimerosal. The point of all this scientific background is to reinforce the common sense logic of reducing mercury exposure by all possible routes, including vaccine-related. It is illogical to inject mercury into anyone, at any age, and you will be doing a service to all Hawaiians by helping to restrict their exposure by signing SB2133 part II. If I can help provide any further background, please feel to contact me. I am eager to assist. Richard C. Deth, PhD is a Professor of Pharmacology for Northeastern University in Boston, Massachusetts http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....3-8439e50ac607 I read Deth's one paper in the peer -reviwed literature on autism. Appparently, the comments above came from this research. Unfortunately, the research he talks about is in a cancer cell line. It is not applicable to developing human brain cells in humans. It is fatally flawed: http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v9/n7/pdf/4001522a.pdf Jeff |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
HCN wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/BUYfromUS.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Even worse she shilling for a company that sells quack meds to desperate people! Altcorp is owned by Boyd Haley, and with the recent court decision on Haley's usefulness as an "expert" witness, I hope that Haley has a day job somewhere. Both he and Geier were seriously criticized by a very learned judge. |
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Vaccine quote of the week 2 by David Ayoub, MD
Jeff wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Jeff" wrote in message ink.net... "Jan Drew" wrote in message . net... (...) Actually, I have not seen any medical experts who think that autism is caused by mercury in vaccines. ACTually, you have! http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm Wrong on two counts: 1) The link doesn't work, at least not from my computer. Get you one that works...NOT kidsdoc. My computer works just fine. For some reason, the ISP doesn't connect to the site. I can't ping the URL, either. I can ping google.com, so it is not a problem with my computer. 2) Even if you think the people mentioned on the page are experts, that doesn't mean they are. Jeff Not a matter of what I think. Facts are facts. And the fact is that they are not "experts." They/re Idiots or shills. The best choice is "idiots" since this decision by a US District Court Judge: http://www.neurodiversity.com/court/rhogam_decision.pdf Both Haley and Geier were given the old heave ho out of court. I suspect that their days as "expert" witnesses are numbered. |
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