The decline of rape

The decline of rape
What the sharp decline in reported sexual assaults reveals about
today's youth.
By Mike Males, MIKE MALES is senior researcher at the Center on
Juvenile and Criminal Justice in San Francisco. E-mail:
.
Los Angeles Times, February 18, 2007

NEWS FEATURES, political commentaries and institutional reports
incessantly berate the sexual excesses of modern teenagers. "Reports
of young studs 'playing rape' ... during recess, of 9-year-old sexual
harassers and fifth-grade rapists and sodomists have become too common
to pass off as simply anomalous," wrote conservative Manhattan
Institute researcher Kay Hymowitz. The progressive Media Education
Foundation, which distributes educational videos, warned in "Deadly
Persuasion" of "widespread and increasing violence against women" by
young men incited by brutal, misogynist popular culture and corporate
advertising.

Evidence supporting the claims of rising teenage sexual violence is
seldom offered. Commentators instead ask, given today's salacious ads,
slutty preteen styles, women-hating rap lyrics, MySpace.com, designer
porn and binge-drinking orgies, how could young people not be "hooking
up" more randomly, more violently and younger?

Yet crime reports, victimization surveys and public health measures
consistently reveal something else: large declines in the percentages
of young women reporting violence against them, especially sexual
attacks, and of young men committing rape and other violent offenses.

The U.S. Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey
(considered our best measure of crime because its anonymous surveys
capture offenses not reported to police) reports that rape has been
falling dramatically for decades. The first survey, in 1973, estimated
that 105,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped that year. In the
1980s and early 1990s, the survey was expanded to include sexual
assault and attempted or threatened offenses. Even so, the latest
survey (in a young female population 1 million larger than in 1973)
reported that 30,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped and 60,000
were victims of attempted rape or real or attempted sexual offenses
(including verbal threats) in 2005.

The crime surveys further indicate that the decline in sexual violence
is greater among younger females than older women. In the last dozen
years, they found that sexual victimization rates among girls ages 12
to 19 fell by 78% and among women ages 20 to 24 by 70%, nearly double
the drop among women older than 25.

The decrease in violence is reflected in big drops in teenage rape
arrests. Led by decreases of 90% in San Francisco, 85% in Orange,
Riverside and Ventura counties, and 80% in Los Angeles, San Bernardino
and Sacramento counties, California's teen rape-arrest rate fell by
70% over the last three decades. Fewer teens were arrested for rape in
2005 (236) than in 1957 (331), the first year statistics were
reported, in a teenage population just one-third today's.

But can we trust these statistics? Rape is an underreported crime:
Only four in 10 victims told the National Crime Victimization Survey
that they had reported their rapes to police. But rape is less hidden
than before. Thanks to feminist campaigns, laws have been extended to
criminalize nonconsensual sex with intoxicated, disabled, same-sex and
acquaintance victims and other offenses that narrower rape laws
excluded. All this makes the recent declines in teenage sexual
violence even more impressive.

Why has rape and violence against women, particularly younger women,
declined so dramatically over the last generation?

Little research exists on this question, and tentative explanations -
from tougher sentencing of violent offenders to pornography's effects
in sublimating violence - are not persuasive.

The three-decade decline in teenage and young-adult rape accompanies
huge drops in all crimes - murder, assault, drug abuse and property -
committed by youth. And get-tough policies designed to imprison more
teenagers don't seem to be a factor either. Just-released California
Division of Juvenile Justice figures show that fewer youths are locked
up today than in 1959, when numbers were first reported.

The most likely explanation involves impressive generational
developments. In 1970, women made up one-third of all college students
(versus 57% today), earned about one-fourth of all young-adult income
(versus nearly half today) and made up small fractions of doctors and
lawyers (versus majorities of new entrants into these fields now).
Women's rapidly rising status and economic independence in the larger
society fostered new attitudes and laws that rejected violence against
women.

That younger people growing up in this environment of greater gender
equality should show the biggest decreases in rape, while older
generations lag behind, is consistent with this explanation. The
youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older.

Ultimately, however, sexual violence remains a serious danger. That is
the best reason for rigorously scrutinizing its real patterns and
trends (rather than taking tiresome potshots at "young people" and
"popular culture") to learn how to further reduce it.

Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


On Feb 20, 10:12 pm, "0:-" wrote:
The decline of rape
What the sharp decline in reported sexual assaults reveals about
today's youth.
By Mike Males, MIKE MALES is senior researcher at the Center on
Juvenile and Criminal Justice in San Francisco. E-mail:
.
Los Angeles Times, February 18, 2007

NEWS FEATURES, political commentaries and institutional reports
incessantly berate the sexual excesses of modern teenagers. "Reports
of young studs 'playing rape' ... during recess, of 9-year-old sexual
harassers and fifth-grade rapists and sodomists have become too common
to pass off as simply anomalous," wrote conservative Manhattan
Institute researcher Kay Hymowitz. The progressive Media Education
Foundation, which distributes educational videos, warned in "Deadly
Persuasion" of "widespread and increasing violence against women" by
young men incited by brutal, misogynist popular culture and corporate
advertising.

Evidence supporting the claims of rising teenage sexual violence is
seldom offered. Commentators instead ask, given today's salacious ads,
slutty preteen styles, women-hating rap lyrics, MySpace.com, designer
porn and binge-drinking orgies, how could young people not be "hooking
up" more randomly, more violently and younger?

Yet crime reports, victimization surveys and public health measures
consistently reveal something else: large declines in the percentages
of young women reporting violence against them, especially sexual
attacks, and of young men committing rape and other violent offenses.

The U.S. Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey
(considered our best measure of crime because its anonymous surveys
capture offenses not reported to police) reports that rape has been
falling dramatically for decades. The first survey, in 1973, estimated
that 105,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped that year. In the
1980s and early 1990s, the survey was expanded to include sexual
assault and attempted or threatened offenses. Even so, the latest
survey (in a young female population 1 million larger than in 1973)
reported that 30,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped and 60,000
were victims of attempted rape or real or attempted sexual offenses
(including verbal threats) in 2005.

The crime surveys further indicate that the decline in sexual violence
is greater among younger females than older women. In the last dozen
years, they found that sexual victimization rates among girls ages 12
to 19 fell by 78% and among women ages 20 to 24 by 70%, nearly double
the drop among women older than 25.

The decrease in violence is reflected in big drops in teenage rape
arrests. Led by decreases of 90% in San Francisco, 85% in Orange,
Riverside and Ventura counties, and 80% in Los Angeles, San Bernardino
and Sacramento counties, California's teen rape-arrest rate fell by
70% over the last three decades. Fewer teens were arrested for rape in
2005 (236) than in 1957 (331), the first year statistics were
reported, in a teenage population just one-third today's.

But can we trust these statistics? Rape is an underreported crime:
Only four in 10 victims told the National Crime Victimization Survey
that they had reported their rapes to police. But rape is less hidden
than before. Thanks to feminist campaigns, laws have been extended to
criminalize nonconsensual sex with intoxicated, disabled, same-sex and
acquaintance victims and other offenses that narrower rape laws
excluded. All this makes the recent declines in teenage sexual
violence even more impressive.

Why has rape and violence against women, particularly younger women,
declined so dramatically over the last generation?

Little research exists on this question, and tentative explanations -
from tougher sentencing of violent offenders to pornography's effects
in sublimating violence - are not persuasive.

The three-decade decline in teenage and young-adult rape accompanies
huge drops in all crimes - murder, assault, drug abuse and property -
committed by youth. And get-tough policies designed to imprison more
teenagers don't seem to be a factor either. Just-released California
Division of Juvenile Justice figures show that fewer youths are locked
up today than in 1959, when numbers were first reported.

The most likely explanation involves impressive generational
developments. In 1970, women made up one-third of all college students
(versus 57% today), earned about one-fourth of all young-adult income
(versus nearly half today) and made up small fractions of doctors and
lawyers (versus majorities of new entrants into these fields now).
Women's rapidly rising status and economic independence in the larger
society fostered new attitudes and laws that rejected violence against
women.

That younger people growing up in this environment of greater gender
equality should show the biggest decreases in rape, while older
generations lag behind, is consistent with this explanation. The
youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older.

Ultimately, however, sexual violence remains a serious danger. That is
the best reason for rigorously scrutinizing its real patterns and
trends (rather than taking tiresome potshots at "young people" and
"popular culture") to learn how to further reduce it.

On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:

Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???

Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane




On Feb 20, 10:12 pm, "0:-" wrote:
The decline of rape
What the sharp decline in reported sexual assaults reveals about
today's youth.
By Mike Males, MIKE MALES is senior researcher at the Center on
Juvenile and Criminal Justice in San Francisco. E-mail:
.
Los Angeles Times, February 18, 2007

NEWS FEATURES, political commentaries and institutional reports
incessantly berate the sexual excesses of modern teenagers. "Reports
of young studs 'playing rape' ... during recess, of 9-year-old sexual
harassers and fifth-grade rapists and sodomists have become too common
to pass off as simply anomalous," wrote conservative Manhattan
Institute researcher Kay Hymowitz. The progressive Media Education
Foundation, which distributes educational videos, warned in "Deadly
Persuasion" of "widespread and increasing violence against women" by
young men incited by brutal, misogynist popular culture and corporate
advertising.

Evidence supporting the claims of rising teenage sexual violence is
seldom offered. Commentators instead ask, given today's salacious ads,
slutty preteen styles, women-hating rap lyrics, MySpace.com, designer
porn and binge-drinking orgies, how could young people not be "hooking
up" more randomly, more violently and younger?

Yet crime reports, victimization surveys and public health measures
consistently reveal something else: large declines in the percentages
of young women reporting violence against them, especially sexual
attacks, and of young men committing rape and other violent offenses.

The U.S. Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey
(considered our best measure of crime because its anonymous surveys
capture offenses not reported to police) reports that rape has been
falling dramatically for decades. The first survey, in 1973, estimated
that 105,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped that year. In the
1980s and early 1990s, the survey was expanded to include sexual
assault and attempted or threatened offenses. Even so, the latest
survey (in a young female population 1 million larger than in 1973)
reported that 30,000 females, ages 12 to 24, were raped and 60,000
were victims of attempted rape or real or attempted sexual offenses
(including verbal threats) in 2005.

The crime surveys further indicate that the decline in sexual violence
is greater among younger females than older women. In the last dozen
years, they found that sexual victimization rates among girls ages 12
to 19 fell by 78% and among women ages 20 to 24 by 70%, nearly double
the drop among women older than 25.

The decrease in violence is reflected in big drops in teenage rape
arrests. Led by decreases of 90% in San Francisco, 85% in Orange,
Riverside and Ventura counties, and 80% in Los Angeles, San Bernardino
and Sacramento counties, California's teen rape-arrest rate fell by
70% over the last three decades. Fewer teens were arrested for rape in
2005 (236) than in 1957 (331), the first year statistics were
reported, in a teenage population just one-third today's.

But can we trust these statistics? Rape is an underreported crime:
Only four in 10 victims told the National Crime Victimization Survey
that they had reported their rapes to police. But rape is less hidden
than before. Thanks to feminist campaigns, laws have been extended to
criminalize nonconsensual sex with intoxicated, disabled, same-sex and
acquaintance victims and other offenses that narrower rape laws
excluded. All this makes the recent declines in teenage sexual
violence even more impressive.

Why has rape and violence against women, particularly younger women,
declined so dramatically over the last generation?

Little research exists on this question, and tentative explanations -
from tougher sentencing of violent offenders to pornography's effects
in sublimating violence - are not persuasive.

The three-decade decline in teenage and young-adult rape accompanies
huge drops in all crimes - murder, assault, drug abuse and property -
committed by youth. And get-tough policies designed to imprison more
teenagers don't seem to be a factor either. Just-released California
Division of Juvenile Justice figures show that fewer youths are locked
up today than in 1959, when numbers were first reported.

The most likely explanation involves impressive generational
developments. In 1970, women made up one-third of all college students
(versus 57% today), earned about one-fourth of all young-adult income
(versus nearly half today) and made up small fractions of doctors and
lawyers (versus majorities of new entrants into these fields now).
Women's rapidly rising status and economic independence in the larger
society fostered new attitudes and laws that rejected violence against
women.

That younger people growing up in this environment of greater gender
equality should show the biggest decreases in rape, while older
generations lag behind, is consistent with this explanation. The
youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older.

Ultimately, however, sexual violence remains a serious danger. That is
the best reason for rigorously scrutinizing its real patterns and
trends (rather than taking tiresome potshots at "young people" and
"popular culture") to learn how to further reduce it.

0:-] wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:


Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

Correlation does not imply causation..

Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly.
It is equally valid to say:
The less corporal punishment the less youth crime
The more internet porn the less youth crime
The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime
The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime
The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime
The higher the median family income the less youth crime
The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime


The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane





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Hahaha! Is Kane still claimg the decline of crime was due to the decline
in spanking??? What about the crime rates during the mid '90's, Kane?

Doan


On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, David J. Hughes wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:


Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

Correlation does not imply causation..

Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly.
It is equally valid to say:
The less corporal punishment the less youth crime
The more internet porn the less youth crime
The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime
The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime
The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime
The higher the median family income the less youth crime
The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime


The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane





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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:40:13 -0800, Doan wrote:

Hahaha! Is Kane still claimg the decline of crime was due to the decline
in spanking??? What about the crime rates during the mid '90's, Kane?

That's when adults that were spanked more as children were becoming
teens and young adults. And other factors were coming up as well.

Was it true for youth?



Doan


On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, David J. Hughes wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:


Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

Correlation does not imply causation..

Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly.
It is equally valid to say:
The less corporal punishment the less youth crime
The more internet porn the less youth crime
The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime
The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime
The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime
The higher the median family income the less youth crime
The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime


The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane





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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:32:33 -0600, "David J. Hughes"
wrote:

0:-] wrote:
On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:


Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

Correlation does not imply causation..

Oddly you are wrong. In fact, correlation is one of the contributing
parts of findings of causation, but this is a popular comment to make,
and you made it.

Correlations, statistically examined reach the point of being accepted
as cause in many instances.

Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly.
It is equally valid to say:

No, actually it's not. There must be some logical reasonable
connections or connection.

The less corporal punishment the less youth crime

Violent crime, and other crime, has been causaly linked to childhood
"trauma." Trauma is what cp is about, and it's intent.

The more internet porn the less youth crime

The might actually be a connection. It should be examined.

The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime

Nope. This one has not been examined. Nice try though.

The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime

RIDICULOUS.


The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime
The higher the median family income the less youth crime
The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime

All ridiculous, because there is no logical connection by correlation.

You must show a track of violence to crime. Spanking is a violent
act,and even the users would agree to that, but fight the use of the
language.

The point of CP is to cause PAIN. Causing pain is violent.


The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane





You are to be commended. You did a great job, repeating like a parrot,
the claim of "correlation is not causation."

Problem is correlation is a very useful tool, IF it's used correctly.

Thanks for bringing this up.

I've said it before, though, and I will again.

Kane



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0:-] wrote:
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:32:33 -0600, "David J. Hughes"
wrote:


0:-] wrote:

On 22 Feb 2007 16:32:17 -0800, "Greegor" wrote:



Is this a SPANKING issue?
Why was it posted ONLY to alt.parenting.spanking ???


Oh, maybe because spanking is falling into more and more disfavor,
with less of it going on.

And:

"The youngest teenagers (presumably those raised with the most modern
attitudes) show the biggest declines of all. Over the last 30 years,
rape arrest rates have fallen by 80% among Californians under age 15,
much larger than the 25% drop among residents age 40 and older."

The claim that "youth is running wild," has been around since it was
popular to claim it in ancient Rome.

The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime, Greg.

Correlation does not imply causation..


Oddly you are wrong. In fact, correlation is one of the contributing
parts of findings of causation, but this is a popular comment to make,
and you made it.

The statement "correlation does not imply causation" is inarguably true.
Likewise, the statement "Correlation suggests a link to causation" is
equally true.
You stated "The truth is the less corporal punishment the less youth crime".
This is true, but you statement suggests causation, without support.
Had you stated "There is good evidence that the less corporal punishment
the less youth crime", particularly with citations of the evidence, I
would have had no reason to post.

I intentionally used a mixture of possible, arguable and ridiculous true
correllations to point out the validity of the the statement
"Correlation does not imply causation."

Correlations, statistically examined reach the point of being accepted
as cause in many instances.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics" g.
Statistical evidence can support a hypothesis, but can never prove it.
At best, it can support the statement "this may be true by the best
evidence we have avaialble at this time."
Note, please, that my disagreement is not with your position, but rather
with how you presented your position.
Anytime anyone presents anything as the absolute TRUTH, I feel the need
to put one hand on my wallet and look for the nearest exit.



Premise: there is less youth crime currently than formerly.
It is equally valid to say:


No, actually it's not. There must be some logical reasonable
connections or connection.


The less corporal punishment the less youth crime


Violent crime, and other crime, has been causaly linked to childhood
"trauma." Trauma is what cp is about, and it's intent.


The more internet porn the less youth crime


The might actually be a connection. It should be examined.


The greater the violence in video games the less youth crime


Nope. This one has not been examined. Nice try though.


This one could be argued on the structure of the studies conducted.
"Self fulfilling prophecies" are one of the major stumbling blocks in
any such study.


The higher the average planetary temperature the less youth crime


RIDICULOUS.


Almost certainly.


The higher the atmospheric concentration of CO2 the less youth crime

Equally ridiculous as the previous.

The higher the median family income the less youth crime
The greater the availability of consensual sex acts the less youth crime


All ridiculous, because there is no logical connection by correlation.


Both these last two are arguable, particularly since you were using sex
crimes as the primary focus of your post.
Logical connections are the reduction in financial and sexual needs to
prompt criminal action.

You must show a track of violence to crime.

Nonsense. Criminal behavior exists in persons who have never been the
victim of violence, and victims of the most horrific violence have
become upright, law abiding individuals.

The violence/crime connection is a factor, but not an absolute.

Spanking is a violent
act,and even the users would agree to that, but fight the use of the
language.

The point of CP is to cause PAIN. Causing pain is violent.

Causing injury MAY be violent. Pain is frequently an unfortunate side
effect of beneficial behavior.
Causing pain is not necessarily violent. Deflowering one's virgin wife
in the marriage bed can very painful, but that is not the intent.
Please examine your language use for clarity.
Emotionally laden terms tend to hamper meaningful discussions.


The trends have followed each other very closely.

It used to be, for instance, that while toddlers were spanked (they
still are) it tended to continue on into older age groups as well.

It no longer does.

Read up. Get educated. Learn the truth...or are you afraid you'll lose
all your biases?

R R R R R R RRRRRRRRRRRRR R R ....

Kane




You are to be commended. You did a great job, repeating like a parrot,
the claim of "correlation is not causation."

"Correlation does not imply causation" is not the same as "correlation
is not causation."
If you must parrot, please do so correctly. G


Problem is correlation is a very useful tool, IF it's used correctly.


Agreed.

Thanks for bringing this up.

I've said it before, though, and I will again.

Kane



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