How do uncircumcised men get laid?

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.

So what I'm saying is why do men even stay uncut if they know women
are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they have a brain?

"karen hill" wrote in message
om...
There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.

So what I'm saying is why do men even stay uncut if they know women
are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they have a brain?


so I assume that you sleep with uncut guys. Dumb broad.

)

BabaJackie wrote:

"karen hill" wrote in message
om...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.

So what I'm saying is why do men even stay uncut if they know women
are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they have a brain?



so I assume that you sleep with uncut guys. Dumb broad.

On 22 Mar 2004 15:31:35 -0800, karen hill wrote:

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.

Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!

Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married.

So what I'm saying is why do men even stay uncut if they know women
are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they have a brain?

Ask Fred Norris, or anyone born in Europe.

--
Faith is daring the soul to go beyond what the eyes can see.
3/22/2004 7:06:04 PM

(karen hill) wrote in message . com...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.
Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!
Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married. So what I'm saying is why do men even stay uncut if they know women are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they have a brain?

You're referring to the one-eyed-foreksinned-purple-people-eaters!ehe
The same women who have no regard for civility or hygiene. The same
women who have a tenfold increase in STDs, UTIs & cervical cancer when
compared to that of circumcised partners. Excluding the blind,
Europeans & deliverance mountain folk, you will generally find that
most American women prefer the circumcised member. Remember, extra
skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'!ehe If a man wants to
increase his chances of nabbing first class trim, he will forgo that
useless scab of skin!eh -D, NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

Quite easily actually. Once they see the real thing, they don't go back to
the little guys.

Your "studies" are a load of BS. There is no difference in prevailance of
disease between cut and uncut males. Lack of regular hygene would cause the
same problem for a circumsized male also.

Not only that - when erect, you can't tell the difference!


wrote in message
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(karen hill) wrote in message
. com...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.
Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!
Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married. So what I'm saying is why do men even
stay uncut if they know women are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they
have a brain?

You're referring to the one-eyed-foreksinned-purple-people-eaters!ehe
The same women who have no regard for civility or hygiene. The same
women who have a tenfold increase in STDs, UTIs & cervical cancer when
compared to that of circumcised partners. Excluding the blind,
Europeans & deliverance mountain folk, you will generally find that
most American women prefer the circumcised member. Remember, extra
skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'!ehe If a man wants to
increase his chances of nabbing first class trim, he will forgo that
useless scab of skin!eh -D, NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

Graham Payne wrote:

Quite easily actually. Once they see the real thing, they don't go back to
the little guys.

Your "studies" are a load of BS. There is no difference in prevailance of
disease between cut and uncut males.

You believe this because...?

Lack of regular hygene would cause
the same problem for a circumsized male also.

Circumcision is no substitute for hygiene, that's true, but all things being
equal, a circumcised penis is cleaner, not having moist folds of skin to
trap nasties in.


Not only that - when erect, you can't tell the difference!

Um... Yes, you usually can, Graham.

Jake.



wrote in message
om...
(karen hill) wrote in message
. com...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.
Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!
Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married. So what I'm saying is why do men even
stay uncut if they know women are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do they
have a brain?

You're referring to the one-eyed-foreksinned-purple-people-eaters!ehe
The same women who have no regard for civility or hygiene. The same
women who have a tenfold increase in STDs, UTIs & cervical cancer when
compared to that of circumcised partners. Excluding the blind,
Europeans & deliverance mountain folk, you will generally find that
most American women prefer the circumcised member. Remember, extra
skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'!ehe If a man wants to
increase his chances of nabbing first class trim, he will forgo that
useless scab of skin!eh -D, NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

Graham Payne wrote:

Quite easily actually. Once they see the real thing, they don't go
back to
the little guys.Your "studies" are a load of BS. There is no
difference in prevailance of disease between cut and uncut males. Lack
of regular hygene would cause the same problem for a circumsized male
also.Not only that - when erect, you can't tell the difference!

A FORESKINSTEIN SHLEPPER, I presume!? LOL! Where in the world do you
reside?eh FYI: Circumcision actually makes the SHMECKLE appear larger!
DOH! The chiseled mushroomed head accentuates the shaft, thus
projecting a larger canvas to visualize. As opposed to foreskin, which
hides in a marsupial sac!eh Do you feed that thing circus
peanuts?eheheheh LOL! Remember, 'Tis better to hold your soldier's
helmet high than to have it droop like an anteater!eh Are you a man or
a mouse?eh The removal of foreskin (remnant Neanderthal appendage) is
precisely what separates us from the animals. As John "The Elephant
Man" Merrick once said: "I am not an animal, I am a human being!"
Secondly, soap (irritant) can exacerbate the existing foreskin
condition, causing the bacteria (smegma - aka precancerous gunk) to
multiply. There is no such thing as hygiene when you have a moist fold
of foogly skin that continually traps bacteria. You can scrub your
smelly little PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the wild, and it
shall never prevent the accumulation of smegma. Circumcision (safest &
most common surgical procedure in all of medicine, occurring more
frequently than tooth extraction) is the only known cure! Lastly,
responding with "BS," or "there is no difference," does not make it
so! If you were an attorney, you would be laughed out of a court of
law! Unlike you and your maniacal ilk, I have studied the risks
associated with foreskin, and can provide medical facts to
substantiate those risks. We can begin with Professor Brian "not
Jewish" Morris, who has over 30 years of unbias research on the
benefits of circumcision:
* Foreskin is responsible for a 12-fold higher risk of urinary tract
infections. Risk = 1 in 20.
* Foreskin confers a higher risk of death in the first year of life
(from complications of urinary tract infections: viz. kidney failure,
meningitis and infection of bone marrow).
* One in 400-900 uncircumcised men will get cancer of the penis. A
quarter of these will die from it and the rest will require at least
partial penile amputation as a result. (In contrast, penile cancer
never occurs or is infinitesimally rare in men circumcised at birth).
(Data from studies in the USA, Denmark and Australia, which are not to
be confused with the often quoted, but misleading, annual incidence
figures of 1 in 100,000).
* Foreskin is associated with balanitis (inflammation of the glans),
posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), phimosis (inability to
retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (constriction of the penis by a
tight foreskin). Up to 18% of uncircumcised boys will develop one of
these by 8 years of age, whereas all are unknown in the circumcised.
Risk of balanoposthitis = 1 in 6. Obstruction to urine flow = 1 in
10-50.
* Foreskin presents the penis with a larger surface area. The moist
inner lining of the foreskin represents a thinner epidermal barrier
than the more cornified outer surface of the foreskin and the rest of
the penis, including the glans of both circumcised and uncircumcised
penis, which have been found recently to have the same amount of
keratin (i.e., similar skin thickness and protection from invasion of
microorganisms) [179]; this means that the inner lining is potential
entry point into the body for viruses and bacteria. The presence of a
prepuce is likely to result in greater microtrauma during sexual
intercourse, thereby permitting an entry point into the bloodstream
for infectious agents. The warm, moist mucosal environment under the
foreskin favours growth of micro-organisms (discussed later). This
"preputial sac" has even been referred to by Dr Gerald Weiss, an
American surgeon, as a 'cesspool for infection' [195], as its
unfortunate anatomy wrapped around the end of the penis results in
accumulation of secretions, excretions (urine), dead cells and growths
of bacteria. Parents are told not to retract the foreskin of male
infants, which makes cleaning difficult. Even if optimal cleansing is
performed there is no evidence that it confers protection [207,208].
* Foreskin increased risk of problems that may necessitate
circumcision later in life. Also, the cost can be 10 times higher for
an adult.
* Foreskin is the biggest risk factor for heterosexually-acquired AIDS
virus infection in men. 8-times higher risk by itself, and even higher
when lesions from STDs are added in. Risk per exposure = 1 in 300.
* Foreskin is associated with higher incidence of cervical cancer in
the female partners of uncircumcised men. Excerpt taken from:
http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_of_circumcision.htm Now onto recent
medical evidence that shows a direct correlation between circumcision
and HIV protection: "More evidence that circumcision could be
protecting men from HIV infection is revealed in the BBC's Horizon
programme. Laboratory experiments appear to demonstrate how the
foreskin appear to be especially vulnerable to attack by the virus,
which has killed millions in sub-Saharan Africa alone. While some
argue that encouraging circumcision in populations which have no
historic tradition of the procedure amounts to mutilation, many
scientists are convinced that many lives could be saved this way. The
latest experiments, carried out at the Children's Memorial Hospital in
Chicago, US, took samples of the tissues of the foreskin kept alive in
culture and deliberately exposed them to the virus. They found that
cells in the tissues called Langerhans cells actually reached out to
grab the virus, draw it into the tissue, and even transport it to the
lymph glands, from where it can begin its assault on the immune
system." Excerpt from
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1025314.stm

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(karen hill) wrote in message . com...

There is all this talk about the foreskin being a harbinger of disease
with the studies to back it up. Who are these women who sleep with
these uncut guys? Uncut penises are so gross, that if I had not read
the studies, I would assume all uncut guys are chaste STD free
virgins! Frankly, an uncircumcised penis is a sure way to keep a guy a
virgin for life! Maybe we should tell that to all the devout
christians.
Who are these women who sleep with uncut guys? Drug addicts? Ugly
Prostitutes? I personally wouldn't sleep with an uncut guy, yuck!
Yes, women are picky. Men are too. There was a girl in my college
dorm building who was really beautiful, blonde thin model face, but
when she was younger she spilled hot water on herself causing
third-degree burns on chest. She couldn't get a boyfriend. Some of
the ugly fat guys used her for blowjobs, but none of them would have a
relationship with her. She was totally saddened and depressed by it.
She eventually became a lawyer and has forgotten about ever having a
relationship or getting married. So what I'm saying is why do men even
stay uncut if they know women are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do
they
have a brain?

You're referring to the one-eyed-foreksinned-purple-people-eaters!ehe
The same women who have no regard for civility or hygiene. The same
women who have a tenfold increase in STDs, UTIs & cervical cancer when
compared to that of circumcised partners. Excluding the blind,
Europeans & deliverance mountain folk, you will generally find that
most American women prefer the circumcised member. Remember, extra
skin = queasy gals = less boots a knockin'!ehe If a man wants to
increase his chances of nabbing first class trim, he will forgo that
useless scab of skin!eh -D, NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews. Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

) wrote in message . com...
Graham Payne wrote:

Quite easily actually. Once they see the real thing, they don't go
back to
the little guys.Your "studies" are a load of BS. There is no
difference in prevailance of disease between cut and uncut males. Lack
of regular hygene would cause the same problem for a circumsized male
also.Not only that - when erect, you can't tell the difference!

A FORESKINSTEIN SHLEPPER, I presume!? LOL! Where in the world do you
reside?eh FYI: Circumcision actually makes the SHMECKLE appear larger!
DOH! The chiseled mushroomed head accentuates the shaft, thus
projecting a larger canvas to visualize. As opposed to foreskin, which
hides in a marsupial sac!eh Do you feed that thing circus
peanuts?eheheheh LOL! Remember, 'Tis better to hold your soldier's
helmet high than to have it droop like an anteater!eh Are you a man or
a mouse?eh The removal of foreskin (remnant Neanderthal appendage) is
precisely what separates us from the animals.

The desire to be "seperate from animals" seems strange to me. The
ability to talk and work a computer ought to be a sign of humaness as
well, maybe even a better one than the amount of foreskin.

As John "The Elephant
Man" Merrick once said: "I am not an animal, I am a human being!"
Secondly, soap (irritant) can exacerbate the existing foreskin
condition, causing the bacteria (smegma - aka precancerous gunk) to
multiply. There is no such thing as hygiene when you have a moist fold
of foogly skin that continually traps bacteria. You can scrub your
smelly little PUTZ like an incessant marsupial in the wild, and it
shall never prevent the accumulation of smegma. Circumcision (safest &
most common surgical procedure in all of medicine, occurring more
frequently than tooth extraction) is the only known cure! Lastly,
responding with "BS," or "there is no difference," does not make it
so! If you were an attorney, you would be laughed out of a court of
law! Unlike you and your maniacal ilk, I have studied the risks
associated with foreskin, and can provide medical facts to
substantiate those risks. We can begin with Professor Brian "not
Jewish" Morris, who has over 30 years of unbias research on the
benefits of circumcision:
* Foreskin is responsible for a 12-fold higher risk of urinary tract
infections. Risk = 1 in 20.
* Foreskin confers a higher risk of death in the first year of life
(from complications of urinary tract infections: viz. kidney failure,
meningitis and infection of bone marrow).
* One in 400-900 uncircumcised men will get cancer of the penis.

This number is wildly overstated. Penile cancer in the US is quite
rare for anyone, circed or not. Besides, penile cancer is nearly
always a consequence of human papiloma virus -- just like cervical
cancer in women. Totally preventable by reasonably safe sex, in other
words.

A
quarter of these will die from it and the rest will require at least
partial penile amputation as a result. (In contrast, penile cancer
never occurs or is infinitesimally rare in men circumcised at birth).
(Data from studies in the USA, Denmark and Australia, which are not to
be confused with the often quoted, but misleading, annual incidence
figures of 1 in 100,000).
* Foreskin is associated with balanitis (inflammation of the glans),
posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), phimosis (inability to
retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (constriction of the penis by a
tight foreskin). Up to 18% of uncircumcised boys will develop one of
these by 8 years of age,

Maybe in sub-saharan africa. Not so in Sweden.

whereas all are unknown in the circumcised.
Risk of balanoposthitis = 1 in 6. Obstruction to urine flow = 1 in
10-50.
* Foreskin presents the penis with a larger surface area. The moist
inner lining of the foreskin represents a thinner epidermal barrier
than the more cornified outer surface of the foreskin and the rest of
the penis, including the glans of both circumcised and uncircumcised
penis, which have been found recently to have the same amount of
keratin (i.e., similar skin thickness and protection from invasion of
microorganisms) [179]; this means that the inner lining is potential
entry point into the body for viruses and bacteria.

**** knows what words you would use to describe a normal female.

The presence of a
prepuce is likely to result in greater microtrauma during sexual
intercourse, thereby permitting an entry point into the bloodstream
for infectious agents. The warm, moist mucosal environment under the
foreskin favours growth of micro-organisms (discussed later). This
"preputial sac" has even been referred to by Dr Gerald Weiss, an
American surgeon, as a 'cesspool for infection' [195], as its
unfortunate anatomy wrapped around the end of the penis results in
accumulation of secretions, excretions (urine), dead cells and growths
of bacteria. Parents are told not to retract the foreskin of male
infants, which makes cleaning difficult. Even if optimal cleansing is
performed there is no evidence that it confers protection [207,208].
* Foreskin increased risk of problems that may necessitate
circumcision later in life. Also, the cost can be 10 times higher for
an adult.
* Foreskin is the biggest risk factor for heterosexually-acquired AIDS
virus infection in men.

Hetero sexual AIDS is still an african thing.

8-times higher risk by itself, and even higher
when lesions .bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1025314.stm


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There is all this talk about are repulsed by uncircumcised men? Do
they
have a brain?

You're referring to the one-NYC "One of the great mysteries that has
always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of
the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in
so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts,
business and more. If you listed the most influential people of the
last hundred years, three at the top of the list would be Einstein,
Freud and Marx; all were Jews.


What does this have to do with circs?
Yassir Arafat, Osama Bin Laden, and all of the Trade Center
hijackers/mass murderers --- all of these guys went under the knife as
a newborn. All moslem males are circed. Why not mention them as role
models? So, what is your point exactly, bringing religion into this
debate about skin?
Besides, there is a basic disconnect here. Circumcision was given
to Abraham and his heirs as a sign of seperateness from the pagan
societies around them. The introduction of this particular religious
dimension seems odd therefore.


??? Many more belong on the list, yet Jews
compriseat most less than 3 percent of the United States population.
They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over
the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of
families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the
Diaspora, they could not own land or worship in much of the world;
they were prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet
their children survived and Jews became by far themost accomplished
people per capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO
(excerpt from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

Ralph DuBose wrote:

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* One in 400-900 uncircumcised men will get cancer of the penis.

This number is wildly overstated. Penile cancer in the US is quite
rare for anyone, circed or not. Besides, penile cancer is nearly
always a consequence of human papiloma virus -- just like cervical
cancer in women. Totally preventable by reasonably safe sex, in other
words.

Actually, no. The lifetime risk is generally agreed to be in about that
range (making the risk per man per year much less), and the causes are not
fully understood.


A
quarter of these will die from it and the rest will require at least
partial penile amputation as a result. (In contrast, penile cancer
never occurs or is infinitesimally rare in men circumcised at birth).
(Data from studies in the USA, Denmark and Australia, which are not to
be confused with the often quoted, but misleading, annual incidence
figures of 1 in 100,000).
* Foreskin is associated with balanitis (inflammation of the glans),
posthitis (inflammation of the foreskin), phimosis (inability to
retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (constriction of the penis by a
tight foreskin). Up to 18% of uncircumcised boys will develop one of
these by 8 years of age,

Maybe in sub-saharan africa. Not so in Sweden.

It's probably more common in hot countries, true.


* Foreskin is the biggest risk factor for heterosexually-acquired AIDS
virus infection in men.

Hetero sexual AIDS is still an african thing.

Actually, that's not so much the case these days. In the UK at least,
heterosexuals have now overtaken homosexuals in terms of new HIV cases. I
suspect the pattern is replicated in much of the developed world.