The sad story of Esther Figueroa

The sad story of Ester Figueroa, killed by Hulda Clark. Every false
allegation against Dr. Barrett, and false claim made that Mrs. Figueroa
had tried conventional medicine is addressed, AND REFUTED:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....eb99973?hl=en&

http://tinyurl.com/eplna

A summary of the case:

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition, and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw should be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements to be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5 cm to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain she was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa. Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and the case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a motion to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of costs and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs. Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of
California,First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health
Resource Center v Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County
Superior Court No. 2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

The case was eventually dismissed as Mrs. Figueroa was too ill to travel
to court ordered depositions in California. Hulda's Henchmen had managed
to drag the case out knowing that her medical condition would
deteriorate to that point.

If anyone claims that this is an innacurate summary, or that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional treatment before the quackery, they
should be prepared to prove it.

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
m...

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
The sad story of Ester Figueroa, killed by Hulda Clark. Every false
allegation against Dr. Barrett, and false claim made that Mrs. Figueroa
had tried conventional medicine is addressed, AND REFUTED:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....eb99973?hl=en&

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/P...stProbert.html

OLD news. Bored--again Disbarred attorney. With an INSANE need to argue.

http://tinyurl.com/eplna

A summary of the case:

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently
tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true
story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition, and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The
court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her
breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw should
be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar
teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements to
be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5 cm
to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain she
was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher
Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa.
Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and the
case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource
Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a motion
to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of costs
and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health
Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted
recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs.
Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of
California,First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health
Resource Center v Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County
Superior Court No. 2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

The case was eventually dismissed as Mrs. Figueroa was too ill to travel
to court ordered depositions in California. Hulda's Henchmen had managed
to drag the case out knowing that her medical condition would deteriorate
to that point.

If anyone claims that this is an innacurate summary, or that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional treatment before the quackery, they
should be prepared to prove it.

http://www.healthfreedomlaw.com/Welc...0Dismissed.htm

http://www.savedrclark.net/by_whom.htm

Mark Probert wrote:
The sad story of Ester Figueroa, killed by Hulda Clark. Every false
allegation against Dr. Barrett, and false claim made that Mrs. Figueroa
had tried conventional medicine is addressed, AND REFUTED:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....eb99973?hl=en&


http://tinyurl.com/eplna

A summary of the case:

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true
story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition, and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her
breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw
should be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar
teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements to be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5 cm to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain she
was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher
Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa. Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and the
case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource
Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a
motion to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of costs and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs. Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of
California,First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health
Resource Center v Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County
Superior Court No. 2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

The case was eventually dismissed as Mrs. Figueroa was too ill to travel
to court ordered depositions in California. Hulda's Henchmen had managed
to drag the case out knowing that her medical condition would
deteriorate to that point.

If anyone claims that this is an innacurate summary, or that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional treatment before the quackery, they
should be prepared to prove it.

After I have carefully reviewed the BolenBilge website, I have yet to
find one word that refutes my summary. That website consists of personal
attacks on Attorney Grell and NO facts that refute what I summarized.

To be able to refute my summary, an intelligent person would have to use
the court documents and/or a time line of all events.

Mark Probert wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
The sad story of Ester Figueroa, killed by Hulda Clark. Every false
allegation against Dr. Barrett, and false claim made that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional medicine is addressed, AND REFUTED:




A summary of the case:

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently
tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true
story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition, and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The
court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her
breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw
should be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar
teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements
to be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5
cm to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain
she was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher
Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa.
Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and
the case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource
Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a
motion to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of
costs and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health
Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted
recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs.
Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of
California,First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health
Resource Center v Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County
Superior Court No. 2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

The case was eventually dismissed as Mrs. Figueroa was too ill to
travel to court ordered depositions in California. Hulda's Henchmen
had managed to drag the case out knowing that her medical condition
would deteriorate to that point.

If anyone claims that this is an innacurate summary, or that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional treatment before the quackery, they
should be prepared to prove it.

After I have carefully reviewed the BolenBilge website, I have yet to
find one word that refutes my summary. That website consists of personal
attacks on Attorney Grell and NO facts that refute what I summarized.

To be able to refute my summary, an intelligent person would have to use
the court documents and/or a time line of all events.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Mark Probert wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
The sad story of Ester Figueroa, killed by Hulda Clark. Every false
allegation against Dr. Barrett, and false claim made that Mrs. Figueroa
had tried conventional medicine is addressed, AND REFUTED:



A summary of the case:

You misunderstand. Mrs. Figueroa was a very ill woman who apparently
tried
Hulda Cure for All Diseases and was snot successful. Here is the true
story:

The civil case was filed by Esther and Jose Figueroa of New York City
against Clark, the Dr. Clark Research Association, Century Nutrition,
and
several associated individuals. Mrs. Figueroa, who had been medically
diagnosed with breast cancer, sought treatment in September 1998. The
court
papers state that she was told:

Dust from her apartment was responsible for her breast cancer.
Returning to her apartment would place her at special risk to develop
leukemia because of her blood type.
She had asbestos, lead, and a lot of copper in her system.
The Syncrometer detected a parasite called "rabbit fluke" inside her
breast.
She also had E. coli, asbestos, and salmonella due to improper food
sterilization.
Several teeth should be removed and "cavitations" in her lower jaw
should be
scraped out.
The suit also charged that:

Clark subsequently arranged for all of Mrs. Figueroa's front and molar
teeth
to be removed, prescribed more than 30 dietary and herbal supplements to
be
taken during a 12-week period, and badly burned her breast while
administering treatment with a "Zapper" device.

During the 3-month period of treatment, the tumor increased from 1.5 cm
to
14 cm.

Despite this fact, Mrs. Figueroa was falsely told that she was getting
better, that tests for "cancer markers" were negative, and that pain she
was
experiencing did not reflect persistence of her cancer.

In 2001, the Figueroa family indicated to their attorney (Christopher
Grell)
that undergoing a deposition would be too stressful for Mrs. Figueroa.
Mr.
Grell therefore petitioned the court to withdraw from the case, and the
case
ended shortly afterward. One of the defendants (Self Health Resource
Center,
operated by Clark's son Geoffrey) then sued Grell and two associates for
malicious prosecution and abuse of process. Grell responded with a
motion to
dismiss, which was granted and upheld on appeal, with an award of costs
and
attorneys fees to Grell. The Court of Appeal concluded:

The evidence amply supports a reasonable belief on the part of these
defendants [Grell and associates] that plaintiff [the Self Health
Resource
Center] was part of a network of persons and entities who acted
recklessly,
at best, luring Mrs. Figueroa into a bizarre, grotesque, and extremely
expensive regimen of "alternative" cancer treatments which has no effect
other than to exhaust the Figueroa's life savings and divert Mrs.
Figueroa
from conventional treatments, thereby reducing her prospects for
recovery
and survival [15].

15. Sepulveda J. Decision of the Court of Appeal of the State of
California,First Appellate District, Division Four, in Self Health
Resource Center v Christopher Grell et al. A098285 (Alameda County
Superior Court No. 2001-030441). Filed May 19, 2003.

The case was eventually dismissed as Mrs. Figueroa was too ill to travel
to court ordered depositions in California. Hulda's Henchmen had managed
to drag the case out knowing that her medical condition would
deteriorate to that point.

Hulda has NO Henchmen.

Telling the same old lies again.

Plus using your jargon--when you could not prove your lies.

FACT 1. YOU lied

FACT 2. Your buddies could see NO lies.
[changing the subject to me]

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....756020c467ad02

Dec 14 2004

http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/02230...tip0223051.pdf

Hulda's Henchmen have agreed that she is practicing quackery and that they
cannot legally sell her crap in the United States.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....36617a95345bf3

That is my interpretation.

==

Many of your interpretations have been display.

You are still the same old liar. You have always been.

[now watch your buddies ingore that and turn this into another liar liar
game]





If anyone claims that this is an innacurate summary, or that Mrs.
Figueroa had tried conventional treatment before the quackery, they
should be prepared to prove it.

After I have carefully reviewed the BolenBilge website, I have yet to
find one word that refutes my summary. That website consists of personal
attacks on Attorney Grell and NO facts that refute what I summarized.

To be able to refute my summary, an intelligent person would have to use
the court documents and/or a time line of all events.

LOL. an intelligent person. Get a new line, Markey.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

It was refuted.

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
m...

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Mark Probert wrote:

snip


Hulda has NO Henchmen.

Telling the same old lies again.

Plus using your jargon--when you could not prove your lies.

What "jargon"?


FACT 1. YOU lied

FACT: You have never proven any such lie. You have only repeatedly
demonstrated your ignorance of the system of Logic by which Proofs are
constructed. You do not know how to produce a real proof.



FACT 2. Your buddies could see NO lies.
[changing the subject to me]

This much is true. We see no lies in Marks statements because there are
none. When we are discussing lies, lying, and liars, you ARE the subject,
because YOU are the proven liar in this newsgroup.

snip

[now watch your buddies ingore that and turn this into another liar liar
game]


YOU invented the "liar, liar" game. Nobody else here casts the label of
"liar" about willynilly at everybody who disagrees.

snip


LOL. an intelligent person. Get a new line, Markey.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

It was refuted.


That is ANOTHER lie. In fact, it is your favorite kind of lie, claiming that
a proof or a refutation or some other verbal victory has been posted by you
in the past in the assumption that some will take you at your word. If
someone goes searching for the claimed proof and fails to find it, you chide
them for poor searching. When asked for a link or a reposting of the claimed
post, you refuse, obviously because the claimed material does not really
exist, and you know it. That's what a lie is, Jan, making a false claim when
you KNOW it is false. You are a PROVEN liar and a thief, Jan. Stop falsely
accusing others of your own sins.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/

"Rich" wrote in message
...

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
m...

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Mark Probert wrote:

snip


Hulda has NO Henchmen.

Telling the same old lies again.

Plus using your jargon--when you could not prove your lies.

What "jargon"?

Mark's jargon. That you cannot see.


FACT 1. YOU lied

FACT: You have never proven any such lie. You have only repeatedly
demonstrated your ignorance of the system of Logic by which Proofs are
constructed. You do not know how to produce a real proof.

FACT: That is a repeated LIE.



FACT 2. Your buddies could see NO lies.
[changing the subject to me]

This much is true. We see no lies in Marks statements because there are
none. When we are discussing lies, lying, and liars, you ARE the subject,
because YOU are the proven liar in this newsgroup.

Bingo! You can see not lies from Mark Probert. For that matter--any of
your LYING buddies.
Known as--the *gang*

snip

[now watch your buddies ingore that and turn this into another liar liar
game]


YOU invented the "liar, liar" game. Nobody else here casts the label of
"liar" about willynilly at everybody who disagrees.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b4354e3?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

LadyLollipop's favorite game is Liar Liar.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a0ecd22?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

You should learn to play backgammon, Jan. It's a lot more fun than Liar
Liar.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0337d81?hl=en&

Jun 1 2005


I told you I don't want to play Liar Liar. If you press it, I'm going to
repost some of your big ones.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a53af07?hl=en&

Jun 2 2005

No, Mark didn't. What motive would he have for lying about his mother? YOU
have lied on numerous occasions, the last about ten minutes ago. So shut up,
before I escalate Liar Liar to higher levels.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....9633f51?hl=en&

Jun 3 2005

However, in Jan's "mind", once she has determined something is a lie, it
cannot ever be changed to "mistake" or "unclear". This is one of the
cardinal rules of her game, Liar! Liar!


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....00db3a8?hl=en&

Jun 4 2005

She will never do so. When Jan can no longer plausibly deny that she is
wrong, she just shuts up about the subject and finds another way to start
her Liar Liar game as a distraction.

Proof--YOU are a Liar.



snip


LOL. an intelligent person. Get a new line, Markey.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

It was refuted.


That is ANOTHER lie. In fact, it is your favorite kind of lie, claiming
that a proof or a refutation or some other verbal victory has been posted
by you

Whoa. Look above at what I posted.

I said nothing about who posted it. I did NOT claim it was posted by me.
Try to follow this thread. See who refuted.


in the past in the assumption that some will take you at your word. If
someone goes searching for the claimed proof and fails to find it, you
chide them for poor searching. When asked for a link or a reposting of the
claimed post, you refuse, obviously because the claimed material does not
really exist, and you know it.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.

That's what a lie is, Jan, making a false claim when
you KNOW it is false.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.


You are a PROVEN liar and a thief, Jan. Stop falsely
accusing others of your own sins.

I wasn't aware that atheists believed in sins.

ALL sins started with Satan in the bible. Do you believe the bible, Richey?

Your post is *another* sad attempt to cover for Mark's lies. It is a habit.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

snip

Still recommending proven LIES.

And spam.

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
news

"Rich" wrote in message
...

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
m...

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...
Mark Probert wrote:

snip


Hulda has NO Henchmen.

Telling the same old lies again.

Plus using your jargon--when you could not prove your lies.

What "jargon"?

Mark's jargon. That you cannot see.

Look up the word "jargon," Jan. Mark didn't use any.





FACT 1. YOU lied

FACT: You have never proven any such lie. You have only repeatedly
demonstrated your ignorance of the system of Logic by which Proofs are
constructed. You do not know how to produce a real proof.

FACT: That is a repeated LIE.

So prove it.




FACT 2. Your buddies could see NO lies.
[changing the subject to me]

This much is true. We see no lies in Marks statements because there are
none. When we are discussing lies, lying, and liars, you ARE the subject,
because YOU are the proven liar in this newsgroup.

Bingo! You can see not lies from Mark Probert. For that matter--any of
your LYING buddies.

I could see them it they told any. You see lies that don't exist.


Known as--the *gang*

snip

[now watch your buddies ingore that and turn this into another liar liar
game]


YOU invented the "liar, liar" game. Nobody else here casts the label of
"liar" about willynilly at everybody who disagrees.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b4354e3?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

LadyLollipop's favorite game is Liar Liar.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a0ecd22?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

You should learn to play backgammon, Jan. It's a lot more fun than Liar
Liar.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0337d81?hl=en&

Jun 1 2005


I told you I don't want to play Liar Liar. If you press it, I'm going to
repost some of your big ones.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a53af07?hl=en&

Jun 2 2005

No, Mark didn't. What motive would he have for lying about his mother? YOU
have lied on numerous occasions, the last about ten minutes ago. So shut
up,
before I escalate Liar Liar to higher levels.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....9633f51?hl=en&

Jun 3 2005

However, in Jan's "mind", once she has determined something is a lie, it
cannot ever be changed to "mistake" or "unclear". This is one of the
cardinal rules of her game, Liar! Liar!


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....00db3a8?hl=en&

Jun 4 2005

She will never do so. When Jan can no longer plausibly deny that she is
wrong, she just shuts up about the subject and finds another way to start
her Liar Liar game as a distraction.

Proof--YOU are a Liar.

What "proof"? These links are all just true statements about your favorite
game of Liar Liar.





snip


LOL. an intelligent person. Get a new line, Markey.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

It was refuted.


That is ANOTHER lie. In fact, it is your favorite kind of lie, claiming
that a proof or a refutation or some other verbal victory has been posted
by you

Whoa. Look above at what I posted.

I said nothing about who posted it. I did NOT claim it was posted by me.
Try to follow this thread. See who refuted.

Your failure to post a link to the nonexistant refutation is noted.




in the past in the assumption that some will take you at your word. If
someone goes searching for the claimed proof and fails to find it, you
chide them for poor searching. When asked for a link or a reposting of
the claimed post, you refuse, obviously because the claimed material does
not really exist, and you know it.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.

I know that you know there was no refutation, because if there were you
would have posted a link to it or cut-and-pasted it.



That's what a lie is, Jan, making a false claim when
you KNOW it is false.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.

See above. Poor Jan.


You are a PROVEN liar and a thief, Jan. Stop falsely
accusing others of your own sins.

I wasn't aware that atheists believed in sins.

Sins against others are greater than sins against religion. I certainly DO
believe that falsely accusing people of lying is a sin.




ALL sins started with Satan in the bible. Do you believe the bible,
Richey?

Do I believe the Bible is the "word of God"? No. Do I believe the Bible is
an important work which contains wisdom of immense value to mankind? Yes. Do
I know more about the Bible than you do, Jan? Definitely.



Your post is *another* sad attempt to cover for Mark's lies. It is a
habit.

I don't "cover" for Mark or anyone else.
--


--Rich

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"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Mark Probert wrote:

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Hulda has NO Henchmen.

Telling the same old lies again.

Plus using your jargon--when you could not prove your lies.

What "jargon"?

Mark's jargon. That you cannot see.

Look up the word "jargon," Jan. Mark didn't use any.





FACT 1. YOU lied

FACT: You have never proven any such lie. You have only repeatedly
demonstrated your ignorance of the system of Logic by which Proofs are
constructed. You do not know how to produce a real proof.

FACT: That is a repeated LIE.

So prove it.

Been proven many times.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....5ba1e902197bd5

Wed, Aug 9 2006 7:06 pm

Jan. These statements are not scientific claims, and do not require "proof"
any more than you are required to "prove" that you have a husband named
James or that you have Bichon Frise dogs. To ask for such proof is just
bitchy pettiness.
==

Exposed again--your double standards.

And..

Your insults. Plus your usual trying to cover for another one with your
belief.

Scientific claims were discused.

Byan stated:

That HIV patients don't
survive long without therapy? The life-expectancy of our patients under
HIV treatment?

The first two are easily determined by a quick search of the net. I
think even john's whale.to page agrees that HIV patients die pretty
quickly without therapy.


"...deaths from conventional deaths"? Time for that remedial English
course,
Jan.


So you say...repeating your proven lying buddy diversions.

The FDA--AMA. Organized medicine.


Corrupt. Liars.


Opinions of Quack Quack.



plagiarized material snipped


Back to your plagiaristic ways.

Double ZZzz. You use this game when the truth is posted.

I don't normally post Quack Quack websites.

More opinions of Barrett.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....df377ff?hl=en&

May 29 2000

From: Keyser Soze Date: 05/29/2000 9:19 AM US
Eastern Standard Time Message-id:
F69F40C8E0CCC813.AA4BBC3418E64BA0.AE0A7B8725D27.

x-no-archive: yes


On 29 May 2000 03:57:55 GMT, (JDrew63929) wrote:


Great Post!


Thanks.


You don't have to do much digging to find that much of Barratt's writing
are strictly his opinion. Others here would lead one to believe they are
backed
by
facts.


Stating that no further research needs done, is absurd. His goal seems to
be
to stop all alternative, rather than bringing conventional and alternative
together.


Barrett is a businessman. He's in the business of selling books.
Unfortunately, it's in the guise of doing the public a favor by
illuminating the hucksters. In short, he's in the business of duping
people.


Alternative healthcare isn't perfect. And yet - neither is traditional
medicine. And yet, there's precious little criticism that he has for his
"home team". Interesting. How biased, huh? Barrett is NOT a man of
science. He's a man of lies, half truths, and hatred for all things of
which his little mind is incapable of understanding.



Right on!!

Jan


Backcrkr

http://www.geocities.com/cbpdoc/ --


When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. --Henny
Youngman






FACT 2. Your buddies could see NO lies.
[changing the subject to me]

This much is true. We see no lies in Marks statements because there are
none. When we are discussing lies, lying, and liars, you ARE the
subject, because YOU are the proven liar in this newsgroup.

Bingo! You can see not lies from Mark Probert. For that matter--any of
your LYING buddies.

I could see them it they told any.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuureeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.



You see lies that don't exist.

Another proven lie.


Known as--the *gang*

snip

[now watch your buddies ingore that and turn this into another liar
liar game]


YOU invented the "liar, liar" game. Nobody else here casts the label of
"liar" about willynilly at everybody who disagrees.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....b4354e3?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

LadyLollipop's favorite game is Liar Liar.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a0ecd22?hl=en&

Tues, May 31 2005

You should learn to play backgammon, Jan. It's a lot more fun than Liar
Liar.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0337d81?hl=en&

Jun 1 2005


I told you I don't want to play Liar Liar. If you press it, I'm going to
repost some of your big ones.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a53af07?hl=en&

Jun 2 2005

No, Mark didn't. What motive would he have for lying about his mother?
YOU
have lied on numerous occasions, the last about ten minutes ago. So shut
up,
before I escalate Liar Liar to higher levels.



http://groups.google.com/group/misc....9633f51?hl=en&

Jun 3 2005

However, in Jan's "mind", once she has determined something is a lie, it
cannot ever be changed to "mistake" or "unclear". This is one of the
cardinal rules of her game, Liar! Liar!


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....00db3a8?hl=en&

Jun 4 2005

She will never do so. When Jan can no longer plausibly deny that she is
wrong, she just shuts up about the subject and finds another way to start
her Liar Liar game as a distraction.

Proof--YOU are a Liar.

What "proof"? These links are all just true statements about your favorite
game of Liar Liar.





snip


LOL. an intelligent person. Get a new line, Markey.

I am still waiting for some facts to be posted that refutes this.

It was refuted.


That is ANOTHER lie. In fact, it is your favorite kind of lie, claiming
that a proof or a refutation or some other verbal victory has been
posted by you

Whoa. Look above at what I posted.

I said nothing about who posted it. I did NOT claim it was posted by me.
Try to follow this thread. See who refuted.

Your failure to post a link to the nonexistant refutation is noted.




in the past in the assumption that some will take you at your word. If
someone goes searching for the claimed proof and fails to find it, you
chide them for poor searching. When asked for a link or a reposting of
the claimed post, you refuse, obviously because the claimed material
does not really exist, and you know it.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.

I know that you know there was no refutation, because if there were you
would have posted a link to it or cut-and-pasted it.



That's what a lie is, Jan, making a false claim when
you KNOW it is false.

You know what I know. Poor Richey.

See above. Poor Jan.


You are a PROVEN liar and a thief, Jan. Stop falsely
accusing others of your own sins.

I wasn't aware that atheists believed in sins.

Sins against others are greater than sins against religion. I certainly DO
believe that falsely accusing people of lying is a sin.

Whatever, Richey.

Nobody has been falsely accused. The lies have been proven with
their very own words. You call your FACTS...errors.



ALL sins started with Satan in the bible. Do you believe the bible,
Richey?

Do I believe the Bible is the "word of God"? No. Do I believe the Bible is
an important work which contains wisdom of immense value to mankind? Yes.
Do I know more about the Bible than you do, Jan? Definitely.

Prove it.



Your post is *another* sad attempt to cover for Mark's lies. It is a
habit.

I don't "cover" for Mark or anyone else.

What a liar.
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--Rich

Recommended websites:
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"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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"Rich" wrote in message
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ALL sins started with Satan in the bible. Do you believe the bible,
Richey?

Do I believe the Bible is the "word of God"? No. Do I believe the Bible
is an important work which contains wisdom of immense value to mankind?
Yes. Do I know more about the Bible than you do, Jan? Definitely.

Prove it.

That's easy. It's a simple challenge. You pick any passage or verse out of
the Bible, and tell us in your own words what it means. I'll do the same.
Then you pick one for me to explain, and I'll do the same for you. This
shouldn't be difficult; it's done by a million Sunday School teachers every
Sunday morning.

The proof that I know more about the Bible than you? It's the simple fact
that I am not afraid of this challenge, but you are and will not do it.
Prove me wrong. I double-dog dare you.
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--Rich

Recommended websites:

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http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/