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how to file for child support
"SpiderHam77" wrote in message oups.com... Okay I was reading the replies to this guys questions.. And well P. Fritz you seem to be the most negative on the issue. I to am a Single father of a Son. Who does not recived Child support... However that said I have requested and applied for it. Main reason for such an endavor.. it's not because I'm looking to get rich. I am quite confortable on my own. And we live a confortable life. My reasons behind are much more evil then that... She is also the parent of my child. Just because she decided she wanted to be single, and not have to worry about her children, doesn't mean she is not responsible for them. If this were a woman asking the same quesiton would the answers you all seem to be giving be the same.. No.. you would first be condemming her for even thinking she has a right to child support, and then after that you would start to spout off how dumb the system is. Myself.. I have set up an Education plan. I have made it clear to my ex, any monies she gives me for my our son. Thats where it's going. However I do feel she is obligated to hold up her end of th bargin... Especially considering she is the one who decided to bring the child to term, and have it. Apprently in other arguments men don't have the ability to have any control on this matter... Has it ever crossed your mind that women who get pregnant by men other than their husbands have tremendous feelings of guilt? And some of those women leave the marriage and the child behind as a reaction to their guilt and inability to live with the situation they created? |
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Bob Whiteside wrote: Has it ever crossed your mind that women who get pregnant by men other than their husbands have tremendous feelings of guilt? And some of those women leave the marriage and the child behind as a reaction to their guilt and inability to live with the situation they created? Sure it has crossed my mind... The more important question is.. Does it matter? If so, then from the sounds of it there alot of men out there I'm sure can tell you they have been screwed then. Why is there so much concern on the thought process of the woman in all of this. Why does it matter? All that matters is that she is not there. And she is still responsible for the well being of her children, just like we men seemed to be forced to be responsible for our children. If we could simply use the excuse that we felt guilty about the whole thing, and didn't want to accept responsibilty. I can garantee you that the idea of being forced to pay Child Support would not exsist. I honestly have no concern at all over the mental state of the Woman. It really doesn't make a difference if she is the happiest person on the planet, or the most miserable. As long as she fulfills her responsibilty of caring for her children, she will recieve no complaint from me. SpiderHam77 |
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"SpiderHam77" wrote in message ups.com... Bob Whiteside wrote: Has it ever crossed your mind that women who get pregnant by men other than their husbands have tremendous feelings of guilt? And some of those women leave the marriage and the child behind as a reaction to their guilt and inability to live with the situation they created? Sure it has crossed my mind... The more important question is.. Does it matter? If so, then from the sounds of it there alot of men out there I'm sure can tell you they have been screwed then. You are trying to change the subject away from a valid point I made. The woman's motives are always assumed to be pure as the driven snow in family law. I am sure there are many instances where women could actually have alterior motives including the one I suggested could be the case. What if the OP was not only duped into believing he was the father of the children, but now was paying 100% to support someone else's children? Wouldn't he have been duped twice under those circumstances? Why is it not reasonable to suggest a man get a DNA test before he accepts custody and a lifetime of parenting obligations? Why is there so much concern on the thought process of the woman in all of this. Why does it matter? All that matters is that she is not there. And she is still responsible for the well being of her children, just like we men seemed to be forced to be responsible for our children. What would you recommend to a man raising children that are someone else's biological children? Just forget the woman's motives? If we could simply use the excuse that we felt guilty about the whole thing, and didn't want to accept responsibilty. I can garantee you that the idea of being forced to pay Child Support would not exsist. I honestly have no concern at all over the mental state of the Woman. It really doesn't make a difference if she is the happiest person on the planet, or the most miserable. As long as she fulfills her responsibilty of caring for her children, she will recieve no complaint from me. But what if the man is raising her children for her and he is not the biological father? Should he ignore her mental state just for the right to be a parent? BTW - This is why I am an advocate for mandatory DNA testing of every child at birth before a birth certificate is issued. |
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how to file for child support
"SpiderHam77" wrote in message oups.com... Okay I was reading the replies to this guys questions.. And well P. Fritz you seem to be the most negative on the issue. Because C.S. is unconsitutional I to am a Single father of a Son. Who does not recived Child support... However that said I have requested and applied for it. So, you are an idiot. Main reason for such an endavor.. it's not because I'm looking to get rich. I am quite confortable on my own. And we live a confortable life. My reasons behind are much more evil then that... She is also the parent of my child. So Just because she decided she wanted to be single, and not have to worry about her children, doesn't mean she is not responsible for them. That does not make it a guvmint problem If this were a woman asking the same quesiton would the answers you all seem to be giving be the same.. No.. you would first be condemming her for even thinking she has a right to child support, and then after that you would start to spout off how dumb the system is. So it is no different when a male asks for the same thing. Myself.. I have set up an Education plan. I have made it clear to my ex, any monies she gives me for my our son. Thats where it's going. However I do feel she is obligated to hold up her end of th bargin... What "bargain"??? Especially considering she is the one who decided to bring the child to term, and have it. Apprently in other arguments men don't have the ability to have any control on this matter... So if she right to decide to do such an action, wouldn't logic dicate she also has a responsibility to care for her child? There is no logic in the C.S. system Now this whole notion of saying don't do it because we men should consider ourselves lucky to have such a order come out in our favour, is just plain dumb. No, it is reality/ How is something like this going to become the norm in society if we don't push it all the way through. Not just being content with the "Luck" (And I use that term Loosly). It goes far beyond getting "even" you are just too blind to see it. I can't honestly see her be responsible for arrears since you specifically opted out of such payments at the start.. That could of been for a variety of reason, they are not important. What is important is that if a Single Mothe is entitled to Child Support, then so is a Single Father. Key word....entitlement....there is no such thing........if you buy into the system, than you are a whore, just like women that do. End of Story.. And this thing about her gaining custody.. I think is also hogwash... Then you are an idiot. She has had no Physical contact with her children... Most is the odd phone call, maybe a card here and there... I can't imagine any Court, even if they are Pro Mommy, taking them away from Dad to go live with a mother that one of them hasn't known since the age of 2. Then you are even more of an idiot Monsar I personally think you should go for support if for no other reason your trying to build a College Fun for your Daughters... According to the Law you are entitled to recived such support, therefore it should be paid. Laws say all kinds of things....it doesn;t make them moral or just. SpiderHam77 |
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To the original poster,
Just forget about child support, you probably make a lot more than your ex. If you live in an income shares state, you are not going to get all that much money anyway. You are one lucky guy. The system is strange and silly. You might get accused of abuse. It is a dirty, dirty, dirty system. Count your blessings, unless you want to post to this group full time. Talk to your daughters when they are older, if they wanna sue for support to go to college on, you can do that and put them through college with it. Your risks are too high. Male CP's are rare enough, and you could lose your kids. Don't do it. Is it worth a 10% (debatable) chance you might lose your kids for a couple hundred bucks a month? Is it worth even a 1% chance? J |
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I don't think it could have been said any better. Right or wrong, it is not
worth the risk. wrote in message ups.com... To the original poster, Just forget about child support, you probably make a lot more than your ex. If you live in an income shares state, you are not going to get all that much money anyway. You are one lucky guy. The system is strange and silly. You might get accused of abuse. It is a dirty, dirty, dirty system. Count your blessings, unless you want to post to this group full time. Talk to your daughters when they are older, if they wanna sue for support to go to college on, you can do that and put them through college with it. Your risks are too high. Male CP's are rare enough, and you could lose your kids. Don't do it. Is it worth a 10% (debatable) chance you might lose your kids for a couple hundred bucks a month? Is it worth even a 1% chance? J |
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have some feminist groups supporting her in court. And the prejudice against fathers in domestic relations courts in the U.S. is so strong that she may very well succeed. You would almost definitely lose the children. Let it alone and stay out of the court at all costs. Ruben |
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how to file for child support
Confused_Dad wrote: Go to your Social services department for your count and they will direct you in the right direction.. However be careful. I have read some of these posting and these people are right. I would not be suprised in the least if she tries to turn the custody on you. You are better off waiting until they are 17 and 11 (that way they can make their owm minds up). Then nail the B____ for child support. if everything goes your way she will have to pay for all arrears since the divorce (that's what happened to me to an extent). The mother of my daughter filed 10 months after and I had to pay all the way back to her birth. I didn't mind since she was my daughter. But I have heard other cases where this had happened (only to guys though of course) I agree, get by on your own until it's too late for her to file for a change of custody. The draconian laws about arrears are your friend here. - Ron ^*^ |
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